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‘ There never was any doubt that Jeffrey Epstein was guilty. He
a, admitted as much in the non-prosecution agreement he agreed
it to sign in 2007. The question is, what exactly was he guilty of?
y This book attempts to answer that question and many others
pr about this strange and mysterious man. These days people all
Be around the world are angry about and suspicious of the super |
ee rich and powerful. The story of Jeffrey Epstein is an object lesson
< about why we ought to be. To put it simply, some people think
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they can operate outside the law. And that’s what they do.
—James Patterson, Palm Beach, February 20, 2016
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Date: Saturday, October 1 2016 08:48 PM
Subject: Fwd: See attached - James Patterson book (1/4)
From: jeffrey E. <jeevacation@gmail.com>
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JaMEs PATTERSON
came to provide a massage. He knew
for one of the girls that
the girls were still in high school and were of high school age.
here was a lot
tasked Rodriguez about the massages. He felt t
more going on than just massages.
He would often clean Mr. Epstein’s bedroom after the
and would discover massagers/vibrators
floor. He also said he would
d put them away in
alleged massages
and sex toys scattered on the
wipe down the vibrators and sex toys an
He described the armoire as 4 small wood
armoire which was on the wall close to Epstein’s bed. On one
occasion Epstein ordered Rodriguez to go to the Dollar rent a
car and rent a car for the same girl he brought the roses to, sO
that she could drive her self to Epstein’s house without inci-
dent. Rodriguez said the girl always needed rides to and
an armoire.
from the house.
Rodriguez produced a green folde
Epstein’s stationery with direc-
ary’s] High School after
r which contained doc-
uments, and a note with Mr.
tion to deliver a bucket of roses to [M
[a] high school drama performance. ...
During the course of the investigation, subpoenas were
obtained for cell phone and home phone records from several
victims and witnesses along with the cell phone records of
Sarah Kellen. An analysis of these records was conducted
which found numerous telephone calls were made between
Sarah Kellen and the victims. These records indicate the
dates the calls were made are consistent with the dates and
times the victims/witn
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- Nadia Marcinkova
- Sarah Kellen
James PATTERSON
Palm Beach PD and prevailed upon him to have the investigation
called off.
Epstein had met Alessi a ined, and
made no
g to get
t a luncheonette, he expla
Alessi had agreed to pay back the money. At the time, it
s a busy man. He was goin
sense to prosecute. Epstein wa
e police into his home to install
his money. But he did invite th
meras. [his was a service that the Palm Beach PD provided
ly one with access to the foot-
the ca
(though Epstein would be the on
police had noticed a group of
ed to be camped out at the
+ while they were there, the
age). Bu
young women who seem
attractive
house.
The group included Sarah Kellen
None of the girls was 4 relative 0
caught the cops’ attention.
And now, as the search continues,
of the very same girls.
On Epstein's desk, the officers
transcript.
The thing is,
Epstein house ha
as though they've
to have been remo
“(Judging] by t
Chief Reiter will say 10 his
one probably had cleaned it up 4 bit.”
Maybe there's nothing too surprising abou
Reiter’s team knows that Epstein’s gotten wind of
tion. What is surprising is that for a house that’s b
there’s so much left lyin
In fact, the oddest t
and Nadia Marcinkova.
{ Epstein — that fact had
the cops see photographs
Gnd Alison’s high school
the detectives cant shake the feeling that the
arrival. Shelves look
5 been tidied up for their
been emptied, and several photographs appear
ved from the walls.
he condition of the plac
deposition for B.B. v
g around.
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JaMES PATTERSON
Epstein’s penis was deformed. [She] explained that his penis by other girls, includi
was oval shaped. [She] claimed when Epstein’s penis was Probably nat. sonal
erect, it was thick toward the bottom but was thin and small also in line with what 2
toward the head portion. [She] called Epstein’s penis Detective Recare
“egg-shaped.” [She] stated Epstein would photograph Mar- on the investigation ee
cinkova and her naked and having sex and proudly display } It was enough oe
the photographs within the home. [Alison] stated during one P| Bh warrant
visit to Epstein’s house in which she provided a massage to : ae
Epstein, his female friend, Nada [sic] Marcinkova, was also 4 ql
present. [Alison] provided the massage in which Marcinkova a
and her would fondle each other's breasts and kiss for Epstein
to enjoy. Towards the end of this massage, Epstein grabbed
[Alison] and turned her over onto her stomach on the mas-
sage table and forcibly inserted his penis into her vagina:
[Alison] stated Epstein began to pump his penis in her
vagina. [She] became upset over this. She said her head was
being held against the table forcibly, as he continued to pump
inside her. She screamed “No!” and Epstein stopped. She told
him that she did not want to have his penis inside of her.
Epstein did not ejaculate inside of her and apologized for his
actions and subsequently paid her a thousand dollars for
that visit. [Alison] stated she knows he still displays her pho-
tographs through ou
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JAMES PATTERSON
Dobbs. They drive ove:
the kitchen — maybe sc
and this had led to a fight—a “verbal disagreement” — with
Epstein.
She'd left with
and told Wendy, “Let’s go!”
“If youre uncomfortable,’
out getting paid. Gone down to the kitchen they're walked upstai
ait
towel. Sometimes witk
Wendy had told her, tell him to mend their friends, anc
None of the girls cc
stop, and he will.”
On the other hand, Wendy had also told her, “The more you ; 4 been trained as a mass:
do, the more you get paid.” ; become a licensed mas:
o return to the house on El ca eighteen years old, at
A few weeks later, she agreed t
or GED.
Brillo.
ain Sarah had taken Jenny upstairs and into the mas-
Once ag
ter bedroom. Sarah had set up the massage table, laid out the oils am
that Jenny would use.
Then Epstein had entered the room wearing only a towel.
Jenny had been wearing tight jeans. She had a tight belt on.
pstein still made a grab for her
his back and grabbed for her
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She kept the jeans on, though E
buttocks. Then he rolled onto
breasts. Jenny became upset yet again. But this time, she was
id two hundred dollars before leaving. She nevet did go back
pa
she has one more thing to tell
to the house. But, like Francine,
the detectives.
Another girl from her high schoo
of her second visit with Epstein. Kri
d “a problem” with Epstein.
the time. And the detec
| had been there on the day ;
stina. And later, Kristina
told J
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them at th
them to her husband and d
Sitting down at the dining
yous. In between biting her
yes, she’s
She met Epstein’s chet and sp
Then she left.
P
Jenny, if you remember anything e
ut the whole thing behind me.”
James PATTERSON
e front door and invites them inside. She introduces
aughter. Jenny 1s sixteen years old.
om table, they see that she’s ner-
ro
that
lip and fidgeting, she tells them
been to Jeffrey Epsteins house.
othing much happened.
Wendy took her there once. But n
the kitchen is all.
ent some time in
she says. “But really, I just want to
“I get what youre asking,”
“You have our numbers. But
“Okay,” the officers tell her.
Ise, youll find that we're very
good listeners.”
One down. Five to go.
e Recarey and Detective Michael Dawson have better
rl who tells them that a year
knew from high school —
Detectiv
luck the next day with Francine, a gl
earlier, Wendy Dobbs—someone she
drove her to the house on El Brillo Way.
ncine would have been seventeen at
sworn statemen
Fra the time.
Now she’s willing to make a
noted:
She was told she could make money working for Jeff. She was
told she would have to provide a massage for Jeff.... She was
brought to the kitchen area by [Dobbs]. They met with the
house chef who was already in the Kitchen area. Francine
stated [Wendy] would wait for her in the kitchen.
t. The officers j
Just as she did wit
Francine upstairs and
the room, wearing onl
She kept her cloth
; sometime during th
! Fi and pulled
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JAMES PATTERSON
adult, okay? You're nineteen. You do what you do. You know,
we can drop you off at the end of the block if you'd like. Or
we can cushion the blow beyond what—but again, youre
helping us at this point. We've been pretty forthright with
you on what ions for your future. And
what we'd like you
with us this evenin
these other girls.
DOBBS: I’m not really on a..
along right now ..-
FRICK: So you'd preter
DOBBS: If they found
e other stuff. . .
happy with me a
going to piss ‘€
is going on, our opt
to do obviously 1s make a couple of calls
ou know,
g to talk to a couple of your, y
Me and my parents really don’t get
that—
out that 1 was—If they foun
Tmactually stripping NOW. ---
t the moment, and | dont
m off even
d out that |
was into som. So
they re not exactly
want to do anything that’s
furthermore.
f
i
Michael Reiter: Oc
hief Reiter sifts
underage girls-
cured for Epste
_ on El Brillo. An arre
> caught with a dime be
‘ She'd told Detectiv
| very much like a rape
q Soon Reiter will as
' more footwork to do
“his office. |
; Later that day, De
‘altive at the home of <
a i
ay
ie S, Francine’s, anc
dialogue have been cha:
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James PATTERSON
is_—it’s a significant thing, okay? Now, you came
The question we have for you
ting with us and try
you, that
in, you cooperated. with us.
now is, do you want to continue coopera
and help us make a case against Jeff?
DOBBS: I don’t think that’s really going to
run, though. I’ve already admitted to a second-
right?
FRICK: Yeah, you have.
DOBBS: Okay, so there you 0.
trouble? It’s not going to keep me out O
help me in the long
, degree felony,
What’s going to keep me out of
f trouble. I’ve already
admitted committing a crime.
FRICK: I’m not going to argue with that....
DOBBS: So basically I just fucked myself. I can go two ways. I
can agree not to cooperate, which is going to put me at—
well_——now you can use the second-degree felony against me.
Or you can help and work with it and maybe get myself some
Slack, «x:
FRICK: We're still talkin’ here. What would the odds be of you
contacting Jeff at this point? Have you had any contact with
him at all?
DOBBS: | have not had any contact—
FRICK: How about with—
DOBBS: No, none of ’em. None of ’em..
four or five months ago, and 1 told my parents. Loo
to you I’m not anywhere —like, no co
all. That’s why | pretty mu
ny communication with him. It stopped.
not made a
FRICK: Okay. Well, I mean, that’s good. Tha
stopped. ...
[had a phone call about ]
k, [swear |
nnection with him at 7
ch got my number changed. I have ©
t’s good that you
This is what we'd
some of your ex:
Now, the questior
working for
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JAMES PATTERSON
RECAREY: Okay. You made that clear, you wouldnt do mote. ; RECAREY: Take a de
DOBBS: No. Screw that! : see you're workir
RECAREY: But as far as [Mary] is concerned. What did she tell can see it, andId
you that happened in that room? DOBBS: I, um, pretty
DOBBS: Exact words? If I can recall, when che came downstairs RECAREY: Straight vu
: from—when she came downstairs, me and her and [redacted], f DOBBS: “If you're loo
we all walked out. We got ito the car. And Iwas like, “How down in Palm Be
much did you make?” She's like, “Three hundred dollars.” And I P have to give him
looked at [Mary] and I just knew right then she did more. a Then, if they were
| I'd go into detail
RECAREY: Than just a massage, right?
DOBBS: Yeah. And 1! asked her. I was like, “Well, what'd you do?”
She’s like, “Well, I started giving 2 massage, and then my q a Yd tell them, “Ok:
clothes came off and, you know, he put his fingers inside me. 4 | you have to do, th
And then he brought out the massager.” And that's basically f a RECAREY: Did you te
; from bringing the
DOBBS: Most part? I
It’s all right. ; “ were open about 1
w that |—l ee was making mone
I they told me, “Ye:
what she said. 4
RECAREY: It’s all right. You can talk to me. aes,
DOBBS: It’s kind of incredible talking about it, no
| can't believe I worked for him. b. RECAREY: Okay. Git
RECAREY: But it’s okay. You know what, we all go through — b: Gimme two secon
things in life, you know what I mean? It’s an experie
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JAMES PATTERSON
RECAREY: How long have you been working for him?
DOBBS: Um...1 probably worked for him for a year.
RECAREY: Okay. And out of all these girls...
DOBBS: Those were all the girls I brought. But you have to
remember, those girls brought other girls, too.
RECAREY: Oh, okay.
DOBBS: So it’s like —its like a train. It’s lik
all my friends, and then...it goes on and on, like that.
e, intro duced him to
RECAREY: Okay... [Redacted] being fourteen or fifteen at the
time—I think [redacted] was fourteen when this happened —
who else was underage? Out of all these?
DOBBS: Underage, what do you mean?
RECAREY: Under eighteen.
DOBBS: Under eighteen! All of em.
RECAREY: All of them?
DOBBS: All of them....
RECAREY: Okay. Did Je
didn’t care.
DOBBS: I don't think he cared. He told
RECAREY: The younger the better. All right.
DOBBS: Pretty much. That’s how it work
just put it this way: I tried to brin
twenty-three, and he didn't really like it.
RECAREY: Didn't go for it.
DOBBS: It’s not that he didn’t go for it.
And he likes the girls th
eighteen and twenty... But some 0
their age. I know that when I started off
knew better [than] to believ
me the younger the better.
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ff know anybody's real true age? Or he
ed. He didn’t—let me
g him a woman who was ~
He just didn’t care for it. 7
at [are] between the ages of, like,
€ them, I think, lie about
young, I think he
e me. I think he knew that I was
younger — like, sev
teen. Most of those
RECAREY: Let’s talk ak
DOBBS:
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James PATTERSON
ke. That’s it. In order to make money,
you do, the more you ma
take your
na have to go up there. Youre gonna
youre gon
more you make.” She
clothes off. But the more you do, is the
walked out of there with $300. So she obviously and evi-
dently let him do a little more. Plus, on our way home, she
kinda told me what she did.
RECAREY: Which was? Give the
DOBBS: She gave the massage, an
h her, down there. Basically.
massage. ...
d she basically let him, like,
touc
RECAREY: Did he touch her with hi
DOBBS: All with his hands. And then
From what she told me.
s hands?
he brought out the mas-
sager.
RECAREY: How old were you when you were approached to see
Jeffrey?
DOBBS: Um, I think 1 was seventeen?
RECAREY: Seventeen.
DOBBS: Sixteen or seventeen.
RECAREY: Okay. When was the last time you talked to him?
DOBBS: It’s been a while. I can honestly say it's probably been
about close to a year. About a year. L actually stopped work-
ing for him. |
RECAREY: Who was the las
DOBBS: The last girl I brought over was
RECAREY: Okay. You got paid two hundred b
girl you brought over?
[redacted]...
over?
DOBBS: Yes.
RECAREY: Okay. [Redacted] knew...
DOBBS: She knew everything.
RECAREY: That she'd have to massage him, and
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ucks for taking het ;
the more she did— }
DOBBS: The more she’d
RECAREY: The more sh
DOBBS: Yeah.
| RECAREY: So, she had i
DOBBS: Um, | don’t knx
ent stories on that. |
But when I was first
who introduced me
| slept with him and r
or secre
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JAMES PATTERSON
RECAREY: It’s up to you. If you wanted one, you can have one.
I can’t tell you yes or no on that. That’s totally [up] to you, Tm
only —
DOBBS: I'm not gonna get in tro
RECAREY: Right now, youre just a witness.
a witness.... That's totally up to you. You wann
you everything | know. I’m a
uble for anything | say, right?
I'm talking to you as
a talk to me?
DOBBS: I have no problem telling
very cooperative person.
RECAREY: Okay. How did you first meet, um—
DOBBS: I first met Jeffrey —I was at a beach resort on Singer
Island, and I was approached by this girl I went to school
with. Her name was [redacted]. And she was asking me, you
know, “Oh, you need extra money, | know this guy....” I
thought about it and I finally gave her a call, and her and her
friend [redacted] met up with me. Lactually picked them up
and we drove down to Jeffrey's house. She introduced me,
whatever.
RECAREY: Okay. Now, what
how do you make money with Jeffrey?
DOBBS: Um, there's two ways. There’s two ways you can make
money. He'll, all right—
RECAREY: That’s all right.
nothin.
DOBBS: How d
RECAREY: No. Go ahead. Talk to me.
DOBBS: Every girl that meets Jeffr
massage. The more you do with him, t
Basically, if you take off your clothes, you're gonn
If you let him do things to you, youre gonna make more.
RECAREY: Like “do things” you mean, touch you?
[do] you mean by making money,
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Talk to me. Talk to me like, like :
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After the massage Epstein stated to [Dobbs] that he
understood she was not comfortable, but he would pay her if
she brought over some girls. He told her the younger the bet-
ter. [Dobbs] stated she once tried to bring a 23-year-old
female and Epstein stated that the female was too old.
[Dobbs] stated that in total she only remembers six girls that
to see Epstein. Each time she was paid $200.
she brought
these girls to Epstein's
[Dobbs] said at the time she brought
house they were all 14 through 16 [years] of age.
she says about Mary’s
lready told the police.
up, too, But Wen-
Wendy Dobbs keeps talking. What
visit lines up neatly with what Mary’s a
Wendy’s own experience with Epstein syncs
dy’s not a victim, as Mary is. After all, she’s been playing on
Epstein’s team. Team predator.
A police sergeant enters the room. What he wants to know is,
does Wendy realize that she’s implicated herself in Epstein's
crimes?
Beads of sweat form on Wendy’s forehead, and now the police
know they’ve really got her. She gives them phone numbers to g0
with the young girls she’s named. She provides addresses. But
no, Wendy doesn't quite get it.
she brags in the backseat:
“~m like a Heidi Fleiss,” she tells the escorting officers.
On the way home, in a police car, 5
: : Wendy Dobbs, inter
Sergeant Frick, Octc
video (excerpts)
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- David Copperfield
- James Patterson
JaMES PATTERSON
only in me for, like
Like, I’ve gotten thousands of dollars worth of shit. Man, the , could say that lon:
underwear I’m wearing right now he gave me. Like, ’d—Yd whatever the fuck
go over there and there'd be a bag of Victoria’s Secret under- | you doing?” [gig al
wear, like, waiting for me, like, talking, like, fifteen hundred j “Oh, I just wanted
dollars’ worth of stuff. I got 4 plane ticket from him once. I
got a Car, I got Christmas bonuses, | got movie tickets. Like,
hed buy me movie tickets —like, he'd say, “Hey, have you
gone to the movies lately?” I'd be like, “I dunno, ch—not
| really,’ [and] he goes, “Do you want to go?” He'd give me, q
3 like, eight movie tickets. 1 got show tickets; 1 went and J
| saw, like, David Copperfield. | had, like, VIP tickets or some- , r
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tioning that we were—it was like, okay, here’s the thing: there's
the, like, little flower thing, then here’s the massage table. | was
right here, he was right here, [and] she was here. Um. And I was
standing up, and he just pushed me ovet the table, and he did
his thing with me.
D: Okay. Were you facing the table? Were you?
Vy: I was. | was facedown on the table. Like, facedown, hands,
like, on my head, holding—! don't, | don't mean—I wasnt |
| fighting, really. So I dont know if he was holding me down to |
kinda stop me from fighting or what he was doing. He's just a
really weird—he's into re
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and he told me that it wasn't good enough. 50 I filled it out | V: Sometimes he got vic
again, and it was like three times. So I’m pretty sure he wasnt : D: Violent as in what? A
checking into it, he was Just telling me that he was. But | { V: He pulled my hair
think that had a lot to do with the reason I stayed there so | pulled. Like, he—o
n front of me, you know? ' you're all, like os
long, ‘cause my dream was right 1
mean, like, if you're
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else that you brought to the house? would pull it to wher
V: I brought a few people. ... Because it got out that I did this. my hair, and then so.
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to get involved....1 brought girls I didn't like and, frankly,
did not give a shit about. Girls that I knew were skanks. That 2 throw, obviously it’s
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would do anything. Girls that would j . 2
the bathroom at school. Like, not even people I was friends . I mean, there’s been
able to walk, um, ft
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with.
know a way you can make two hundred dollars. How
about...” 1 would tell them flat out, like, “This is what youve
got to do. Are you cool with th
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Vy: I dont know. I don't know, I heard those conversations, I
assumed me and my
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self on my breasts. And 1...1 was extremely uncomfortable. I
would maneuver myself away from that activity. 'd get up myself, things I looke
and I'd move somewhere else, or 'd—1 don't even remember. “9 cally told me when I
I would stop whatever was going on without saying, “Can Pe ema ntict? ;
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V: Well, 1 went and I wouldnt take off my panties at first. And he did to you is a cri
then he got me to get naked. Then he got me to let him rub me. V: Would you consider
Then he got me to let him stick his fingers in me. Then he got be rape, what he did:
me to let him go down on me. Then, um—that was pretty D: Ifhe put himself insi
e, where he bent me over V: I didn't say that, or a
much the gist of it, except this one tim
the table and put himself in me. Without my permi
flipped out. I'm sorry, I didn’t ask you, but I don't count that as | D: That, that is a crime.
me having sex with him.... ‘Cause I just told you that I never , V: I don’t want my fan
had sex with him. I never did. Even though, I don’t know what doesn’t know any of t
youd consider that. But he then—l go, “What are you doing?” ; for two years, or how
He goes, “Oh, I just wanted [redacted] to see this.” thinks I made phone
D: Okay. Let me back you up. When you were completely naked, ‘ ing my [unintelligibl
the same things happened? You went in, you massaged him? q ¥ know anything
es 1 didn't even do that. Sometimes he just asked me : 3 D: Well, you're an adul
he'd have to do work, he'd be a done with this interv
V: Sometim
to take off my clothes and—
sitting at his desk or something, and I’d just be naked there, a A decide the best course
watching te