JAMES PATTERSON 10:18 a.m. Q: (: A: Which of my clients are you swearing under oath encour- aged Virginia Roberts to include allegations of an encounter with you at the New Mexico ranch? - Both of them—both of your clients, both Judge Cassell and Mr. Edwards—were both involved in encouraging [their] client to file a perjurious affidavit that they knew or should have known was perjurious recently when they sought to file another defamatory allegation in the federal proceeding. : Was the arrangement such that what you are charging Brad- ley Edwards and Professor Paul Cassell with doing was sub- orning perjury? - Absolutely. If you ask me the question, I am directly charging Judge Cassell and Bradley Edwards with suborning perjury. | have been advised that Virginia Roberts did not want to mention me, told her friends that she did not want to men- tion me. And was, quote, pressured by her lawyers into including these totally false allegations against me. Yes, your clients are guilty of suborning perjury. Who told you that Bradley Edwards pressured Virginia Rob- q erts into falsely identifying you? A friend of Virginia Roberts who called me out of the blue 3 and told me that she was horrified by what was happening to ~ me and that she recently had meetings with Virginia Roberts i and Virginia Roberts had told her that she never mentioned” f me previously. That the lawyers pressured her into mention i 254 ing me. And mentioni me, yes. 10:20 a.m. Q: What was t

rTERSON he'd told reporters. “In the end, her it will be me or the two ing for the fences in his struggle ion afloat, he still had a bomb- , Scarola, he proposed his own +ts had named him, along with 3 CHAPTER 66 >n who had sexually abused her } in New York City, and in Palm | lawyers who were suinghimina = rad Edwards pressured Virginia = |] ~—- Excerpts from the Deposition of Alan Dershowitz: witz as one her assailants. ey . October 15, 2015 rds did this so that they could on Leslie Wexner for one billion 9:46 a.m. Yershowitz maintained, to give ~~ ld happen to him if Edwardss 3 4 Q: In an interview with Hala Gorani on January 5 of this year, - 4 broadcast on CNN Live, you said, “I have a superb memory.” aid, he had proof. ; q Do you acknowledge having made that statement? i A: I have a superb memory, so I must have made that statement. My mother had an extraordinary memory, and when I was in college and I was on the debate team, my mother allowed me to debate on the Sabbath, which was Jewish rest day, only on the condition that I not take notes or write. And at that point I discovered that I have a very good memory and don’t have to—generally didn’t have to take notes. My memory, obvi- ously, at the age of seventy-seven has slipped a bit; but do I have a very good memory, yes. 253 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009334

James PATTERSON “Pm thrilled they sued me,” he'd told reporters. “In the end, someone will be disbarred. Either it will be me or the two lawyers.” But if Dershowitz was swinging for the fences in his struggle to keep his hard-earned reputation afloat, he still had a bomb- shell to drop. When deposed by Scarola, he proposed his own theory about why Virginia Roberts had named him, along with Prince Andrew, as one of the men who had sexually abused her at Epstein’s New Mexico ranch, in New York City, and in Palm Beach. A theory that implicated the lawyers who were suing him ina much larger conspiracy. According to Dershowitz, Brad Edwards pressured Virginia Roberts into identifying Dershowitz as one her assailants. Dershowitz said that Edwards did this so that they could blackmail Jeffrey Epstein’s patron Leslie Wexner for one billion dollars. Roberts lied about him, Dershowitz maintained, to give Wexner an idea of what would happen to him if Edwards's demands weren't met. Furthermore, Dershowitz said, he had proof. 252 | 4 oll ve .. F< oOo , onl yee SO Excerpts from the Deposi October 15, 2015 9:46 a.m. Q: In an interview with Hala broadcast on CNN Live, yo Do you acknowledge havir A: I have asuperb memory, sc My mother had an extraorc college and I was on the de to debate on the Sabbath, w the condition that I not tak I discovered that I have a v to—generally didn’t have ously, at the age of seventy have a very good memory, } NS HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009333

Fittuy RicwH manipulated. Then | remembered it was my present. I started to enjoy myself. But then it got rough, and that’s when I opened my eyes.” “What did you see?” “A woman. A woman Id never seen before.” “A woman? Dominique Moreau was twelve!” “It was dark. I just wanted her off of me. I tried to stop her.” “But the twelve-year-old overpowered you?” “No. She threatened me. She said if I didn’t let her... continue, she was going to scream ‘Rape.’” “And there was nothing that you could do? You've got forty years and a hundred pounds on the girl.” “The party was going on right outside the door. I knew how this was going to look. I was naked. She was naked. What could I do?” It was a brilliant plot twist— one that ultimately allowed Jor- dan to get off scot-free. CHAPTER 65 r 2015 ito the ripped-from-the-headlines - SVU that was inspired by the Jet ; But the plot twist that Epstein’s own story ended up taking lot takes an interesting turn: before 7 q on the day of Alan Dershowitz’s deposition at a Broward County, st him, Jordan, the character mod- F q Florida, courthouse was even more surprising. ‘VU headquarters. q h girl raped him, Jordan says. fleece pullover like the ones favored : q “There was a criminal extortion plot,” Alan Dershowitz told Brad _ Edwards and Paul Cassell’s lawyer, Jack Scarola, on October 15, 2015. “Your clients were involved.” >5 an evening at home. 3 ng,” he explains. “A friend said she resent. Told me to wait in my mas-_ : a _ Br

CHAPTER 6 Alan Dershowitz: October 2015 bout fifteen minutes into the ripped-from-the-headlines episode of Law & Order: SVU that was inspired by the Jef- frey Epstein saga, the plot takes an interesting turn: before officers have a chance to arrest him, Jordan, the character mod- eled on Epstein, shows up at SVU headquarters. The twelve-year-old French girl raped him, Jordan says. Wearing a monogrammed fleece pullover like the ones favored by Jeffrey Epstein, he describes an evening at home. “The party was in full swing,” he explains. “A friend said she j wanted to give me a special present. Told me to wait in my mas- sage room—” An SVU guy interrupts: “Guy has a massage room?” “T suffer.from chronic back pain,” Jordan says. “While I was waiting, I fell asleep. Now, at first I thought Il must be dreaming. I was aroused. I felt myself being manually” 250 and he had come armed for b manipulated. Then I reme- enjoy myself. But then it gx eyes.” “What did you see?” “A woman. A woman I “A woman? Dominique “It was dark. I just wan: “But the twelve-year-olc “No. She threatened me. she was going to scream ‘R: “And there was nothin; years and a hundred pound “The party was going on: was going to look. I was nake It was a brilliant plot tw: dan to get off scot-free. But the plot twist that I on the day of Alan Dershow Florida, courthouse was eve “There was a criminal extort Edwards and Paul Cassell’s ] 2015. “Your clients were involv Bradley and Cassell had s for defamati

) ATTERSON Fittuy Ricw ie could provide potential protec- that if I didn’t say what they wanted me to Say, or not to say ‘happened. I might get hurt. | lis supposed FBI agent made me 42. I promised Epstein and his lawyer that I would keep left the old life of sexual slavery quiet. They seemed happy with that and that seemed to me v life in a new country in hopes : to [be the] way to keep me and my family safe. And I did iose illegal activities I knew all | what Epstein and his lawyer told me. I kept quiet. ‘ported FBI call, I was contacted | This declaration, stricken from the record by the judge in the o appeared clearly to be working | victims’ lawsuit against the government, also set in motion me about an investigation into. , ' events that led to Dershowitz’s and Roberts's lawyers becoming f the girls being questioned were }__ involved in spectacular lawsuits, which included a complaint by sexual contact with them. After ; , Dershowitz that these allegations were false and had defamed ., the man said they were being 4 him, and a complaint by Edwards that Dershowitz’s accusations ind prostitutes, but in my case, if 4 7 against him were false and defamatory. 1 “be looked after.” The fact that ifter the supposed FBI call rein- ‘man I had talked to earlier was BI but for Epstein. I didn’t think ild both be working together and mber at almost exactly the same d this person that I had gotten a t I didn’t tell him anything. The ased to hear [thatl. ne of Epstein’s lawye

JaMEs PATTERSON and would have shown how he could provide potential protec- tion from Epstein. That never happened. 39. Getting a call from this supposed FBI agent made me scared all over again. I had left the old life of sexual slavery behind me and started a new life in a new country in hopes that the powerful people whose illegal activities I knew all about would never find me. 40. Shortly after this purported FBI call, I was contacted by telephone by someone who appeared clearly to be working for Epstein. The caller told me about an investigation into. Epstein and said that some of the girls being questioned were saying that Epstein had had sexual contact with them. After they made these allegations, the man said they were being discredited as drug addicts and prostitutes, but in my case, if I were to keep quiet, I would “be looked after.” The fact that this call was made shortly after the supposed FBI call rein- for[cled my concern that the man I had talked to earlier was not really working for the FBI but for Epstein. I didn’t think that the FBI and Epstein would both be working together and would both get my phone number at almost exactly the same time. I played along and told this person that I had gotten a call from the “FBI” but that I didn’t tell him anything. The person on the phone was pleased to hear [that]. 41. A short time later, one of Epstein’s lawyers (not Alan Dershowitz) called me, and then got Epstein on the line at the same time. Epstein and his law

PATTERSON osed to interview a girl and bring 25 for Epstein. riginal] training in Chiang Mai. While I id special guy and told him hon- ed to do. He told me I should get 1¢ people I was working for were could not walk away or disobey us punishment, including my life. zct me. I had confidence [in] him »as my opportunity to escape and ruly loved me and would protect v to Australia. d told him I was not coming back. : fallen in love.” Epstein basically 1 good life.” I could tell he was not hat he was going to do to me. I owerful friends might send some- killed. ward, out of concern for my safety stayed in Australia with my hus- rom late 2002 to October 2013. To > United States during these years, ' visit my mother. And my absence las not voluntary —I was hiding of what he would do to me if I (es. 246 fter not hearing from anyone for contacted by someone who identi- 7 yunding name and claimed he was ~ = “4 i) cd ) Firtyy Ricy with the FBI. It seemed very odd for someone doing an offi- cial criminal investigation to Just call up on the phone like that. I hadn't heard Epstein’s name for years. I didn’t know who this person was and what it was really about. I couldn’t tell what was going on. 36. This man said he was looking into Jeffrey Epstein. The man asked if I had been involved with Epstein. My first instinct was to say nothing because I wasn’t sure he was really with the FBI or any authorities. | answered a few basic questions, telling him that I knew Jeffrey Epst

JAMES PATTERSON this trip as well. I was supposed to interview a girl and bring her back to the United States for Epstein. 31. [Left blank in the original] 32. I did the massage training in Chiang Mai. While I was there, I met a great and special guy and told him hon- estly what I was being forced to do. He told me I should get out of it. I told him that the people I was working for were very powerful and that I could not walk away or disobey them without risking serious punishment, including my life. He told me he would protect me. I had confidence [in] him and I saw his love and help as my opportunity to escape and to be with someone who truly loved me and would protect me. I married him and flew to Australia. 33. I called Epstein and told him I was not coming back. He asked why? I said “I’ve fallen in love.” Epstein basically said “good luck and have a good life.” I could tell he was not happy. I was afraid of what he was going to do to me. I thought he or one of his powerful friends might send some- one to hurt me or have me killed. 34, From that point onward, out of concern for my safety and general well-being, I stayed in Australia with my hus- band. I was in Australia from late 2002 to October 2013. To be clear, I was never in the United States during these years, not even for a short trip to visit my mother. And my absence from the United States was not voluntary—I was hiding from Epstein out of fear of what he would do to me if I returned to the United States. 35

CHAPTER 64 oberts Giuffre, filed on rneys representing Jeffrey ied) r Alan Dershowitz was around witz was so comfortable with the t on one occasion he observed me ein. urse with Dershowitz at least six vhen I was about 16, early on in dit continued until I was 19. ad sex took place in New York in Epstein’s room (not the massage y sixteen years old at the time. I = knew he was a famous projessor. at I had sex with Dershowitz Was 4 Beach. ; my training. But Epstein was going to get something out of Fittuy Ricw 24. I also had sex with Dershowitz at Epstein’s Zorro Ranch in New Mexico in the massage room off of the indoor pool area, which was still being painted. 25. We also had sex at Little Saint James Island in the U.S. Virgin Islands. 26. Another sexual encounter between me and Dershow- itz happened on Epstein’s airplane. Another girl was present on the plane with us. 27. I have recently seen Alan Dershowitz on television calling me a “liar.” He is lying by denying that he had sex with me. The man I’ve seen on television, described as a for- mer law professor, is the same man that I had sex with at least six times. Dershowitz also knows that Epstein had sex with other underage girls and lent me out to other people, but he is lying and denying that... 28. After years of abuse and being lent out, I began to look for a way to escape. I had first gone into Epstein’s house- hold because I wanted to be a massage therapist. Epstein had taken me into his clutches throu

24. I also had sex Ranch in New Mexico | pool area, which was st 25. We also had se U.S. Virgin Islands. 26. Another sexual ; CHAPTER 64 itz happened on Epstein | on the plane with us. 27. I have recently : calling me a “liar.” He | with me. The man I’ve s¢ : 4 mer law professor, is thi Declaration of Virginia Roberts Giuffre, filedon 4 ; least six times. Dershow January 19, 2015 by attorneys representing Jeffrey ' with other underage girl Epstein’s victims (continued) — : but he is lying and denyit e i 28. After years of ab 5 4 look for a way to escape. | 20. Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz was around hold because I wanted to] Epstein frequently. Dershowitz was so comfortable with the Ee 4 taken me into his clutches e 4 some time I believed him. trol, regardless of my doul 29. I kept asking Eps sex [that] was going on that on one occasion he observed me in sexual activity with Epstein. 21. Thad sexual intercourse with Dershowitz at least six times. The first time was when I was about 16, early on in 4 q education. Epstein finally my servitude to Epstein, and it continued until I was 19. P 7 to go to Chiang Mai to k 22. The first time we had sex took place in New York in 4 i like my chance to escape. Epstein’s home. It was in Epstein’s room (not the massage 3 : bags for good. I knew this room). I was approximately sixteen years old at the time. ! 4 a break away. called Dershowitz “Alan.” I knew he was a famous professor, —— 4 30. On September 27, 2 93. The

Fittruy Ricw PATTERSON ‘never been in the same place with Alan Dershowitz also goes on the attack. Virginia’s claims y up out of whole cloth.” are part of a plot to extort him, he claims. The motion that ‘rady become involved in lawsuits Edwards and Cassell have filed is “the sleaziest legal document” ‘king with a former federal judge he’s ever seen. yfessor named Paul Cassell, he had “They manipulated a young, suggestible woman who was other unnamed woman. Six years interested in money,” Dershowitz says. “This is a disbarrable ig, and now, Edwards and Cassell | olfense, and they will be disbarred. They will rue the day they combined. : ever made this false charge against me.” It’s a vehement denial. ake part in the jawmenit ; But then, the allegations made by Virginia Roberts, on January berts, the girl who says that Ghis- 3 15, 2015, in a declaration filed against the government in an attempt to overturn Jeffrey Epstein’s non-prosecution agreement are highly disturbing. r for Epstein at Trump's resort, id other young girls to prominent iticians, world leaders, and other sratiate himself with them for busi- financial gain, as well as to obtain arts claims. ~ed her and other underage girls to a rgin Islands. : y and Alan Dershowitz as two of the 4 f ave sex with and claims that Der ; ‘tness to the sexual abuse of many | several of Epstein's co-conspirators.” wv does respond to the allegations. 2 ding and ongoing civil proceeding 5 ch the Duke of York is not a party, .

JaMES PATTERSON , r “| don't know this woman. I've never been in the same place with Alan Dershowitz also § her. She’s made the whole story up out of whole cloth.” q are part of a plot to exto Bradley Edwards had already become involved in lawsuits : Edwards and Cassell have { against Epstein. In 2007, working with a former federal judge | he’s ever seen. and University of Utah law professor named Paul Cassell, he had 4 ; “They manipulated a y Gled a lawsuit on behalf of another unnamed woman. Six years 3 interested in money,” Ders later, that case is still pending, and now, Edwards and Cassell } offense, and they will be d: petition to have the two suits combined. ever made this false charge Allin all, four Jane Does take part in the lawsuit. = «Cute then, the allegations m Jane Doe 3 is Virginia Roberts, the girl who says that Ghis- i 15, 2015, in a declaration laine Maxwell recruited her for Epstein at Trump’s resort, : q attempt to overturn Jeffrey I Mar-a-Lago. f me re highly disturbing. Epstein had “lent” her and other young girls to prominent businessmen, important politicians, world leaders, and other 4q powerful men in order “to ingratiate himself with them for busi- ness, personal, political, and financial gain, as well as to obtain blackmail information,” Roberts claims. She says that Epstein forced her and other underage girls to take part in an orgy In the Virgin Islands. She names Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz as two of the 4 3 men she'd been forced to h

PATTERSON ag undersea earthquake and tsu- 1 by several feet, shifting the earth ; horrific and unprecedented. But evotes four pages and seven sepa- That same day, the Telegraph runs imes runs a two-page spread head- vAY OVER ANDREW. } CHAPTER 63 lian runs one more piece about HEADLINES DESPITE THE EARTHQUAKE, Alan Dershowitz: September 2014 { the ongoing lawsuits are costing Epstein millions, he has millions left to spare. Meanwhile, the FBI’s investigation into whether Epstein trafficked underage women across state lines seems to be going nowhere. As 2014 draws to a close, it’s begin- | ning to look as if Epstein is finally free and clear of the case. _ But for Epstein’s friend and sometime lawyer Alan Dershow- _ itz, things are about to get very unpleasant. _ At the start of 2008, Bradley Edwards, the Fort Lauderdale 3 lawyer, had filed a motion in a West Palm Beach court on behalf of two unnamed women accusing Prince Andrew and Alan Der- Showitz of participating directly in Epstein’s illegal activities. > Prince Andrew had had no comment to make, and Dershow- Mz had objected to the accusations in the strongest possible tcrims. | ‘There's absolutely no kernel of truth to this story,” he'd said. Al 241 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009322

JAMES PATTERSON } On March 11, a devastating undersea earthquake and tsu- nami move Japan’s main island by several feet, shifting the earth on its axis. The destruction is horrific and unprecedented. But 4} on March 13, the Daily Mail devotes four pages and seven sepa- j rate articles to Prince Andrew. That same day, the Telegraph runs three pieces, and the Sunday Times runs a two-page spread head- lined GUN SMUGGLER BOASTS OF SWAY OVER ANDREW. | a On March 14, the Guardian runs one more piece about 4 Andrew’s troubles. PRINCE ANDREW DOMINATES HEADLINES DESPITE THE EARTHQUAKE, | the headline reads. 2 Alan Dershowitz: Septen irks ed eee ¢ ‘4 ‘ a 4 f the ongoing lawsuits ar a q millions left to spare. Mea if 4 whether Epstein trafficked a ' seems to be going nowhere. / F : ning to look as if Epstein is fir But for Epstein’s friend an itz, things are about to get ver At the start of 2008, Brad q lawyer, had filed a motion in; | of two unnamed women accu: j showitz of participating direct a | Prince Andrew had had ne 4 ‘ itz had objected to the accu 5). terms. “There’s absolutely no kern 240 4 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009321

JATTERSON ssage. But I had to take off my ne. It hurt. I started to bleed, and me.” _ “We're going to arrest this man. lew York so you can testify.” ir lamais! Jamais! embarrassments, many of which nds. The wedding of Prince Wil- yproaching, and the ongoing trou- : Prince Andrew keep threatening {arch 6, a spokesperson for Sarah in paid off part of the seventy-eight ichess borrowed from a man who appear in the Telegraph and other a ‘APPEALED TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN TO HELP = i f myself, dccplys regret that Jeffrey = ny way with me,” Prince Andrew's © ibhor paedophilia and any sexual | ‘that this was a gigantic error of cannot say. Whenever I can I vill ve nothing ever to do with Jeffrey : ; he ongoing civil lawsutts agail ns Nadia Marcinkova are both ask ce ms with Epstein. 4 FittHy Ricw “Would you agree with me that Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein used to share underaged girls for sexual relations?” Kel- len is asked. On the instructions of my lawyer,” Kellen replies, “I must invoke my Fifth Amendment privilege.” “Have you ever been made to perform sexually on Prince Andrew?” lawyers ask Marcinkova. “Fifth” is Nadia’s simple, succinct reply. That same week, the government downgrades Prince Andrew’s role as Great Britain’s royal trade envoy. But the British press is tenacious, and in the Telegraph, the Guardian, and elsewhere, stories appear on a daily basis: ¢ The Duke, His Paedophile Guest, and the Most Unusual Use of an RAF Base e Andrew’s Secret Love Life Rev

JAMES PATTERSON Me “Jordan. He wanted a massage. But I had to take off my clothes. He climbed on top of me. It hurt. I started to bleed, and it wouldn't stop. The doctor came.” : a “Dominique,” the cops say. “Were going to arrest this man. q 4 But we need you to return to New York so you can testify.” 4 i “Non,” says the girl. “Non! Jamais! Jamais!” For Epstein, there are other embarrassments, many of which have to do with his royal friends. The wedding of Prince Wil- liam and Kate Middleton is approaching, and the ongoing trou- bles of Prince William’s uncle Prince Andrew keep threatening to derail the festivities. On March 6, a spokesperson for Sarah Ferguson confirms that Epstein paid off part of the seventy-eight thousand pounds that the duchess borrowed from a man who was once her personal assistant. The next day, headlines appear in the Telegraph and other British papers: DUKE OF YORK “APPEALED TO JEFFREY EPSTEIN TO HELP 4 DUCHESS PAY DEBT.” , 4 “I personally, on behalf of myself, deeply regret that Jeffrey 4 Epstein became involved in any way with me,” Prince Andrew's ~ ex-wife tells journalists. “I abhor paedophilia and any sexual — abuse of children and know that this was a gigantic error of aq judgment on my behalf. 5 “I am just so contrite | cannot say- Whenever I can I will repay the money and will have nothing ever to do with Jeffrey Epstein ever again.” | 3 That week, as part of the ongoing civil lawsuits against Epstein, Sarah Kellen and Nadia Marcinkov

PATTERSON or Nuclear Research)—to “deter- any, for defining gravity.” se issued by Epstein’s foundation, ‘ge was that space is “not quite CHAPTER 62 Jeffrey Epstein: February 2, 2011 t's Groundhog Day, and once-reclusive Jeffrey Epstein is hit- ting the peak of his fame in a ripped-from-the-headlines epi- sode of Law & Order: SVU that tracks, eerily well, with his own legal history. The setup for this episode is the rape of a very young French pet One who's been flown to New York ona very rich man’s pri- "Yate jet, then flown back—coach class—to Paris. _ On the plane, she has a freak-out. She thinks the middle-aged guy sitting next to her is trying to rape her. In Paris, the local ‘police get involved. “It was Just a birthday party,” the tearful girl tells the SVU Lops via videoconference from France. “We were his present.” ’ The cops ask: Whose present? ’ “The billionaire. The one who owns the jet.” _ Does the French girl know his name? HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009318

James PATTERSON : (the European Organization for Nuclear Research)—to “deter- mine what the consensus is, if any, for defining gravity. os in’s foundation, Ey According to a press release issued by Epstein’s fo i the consensus that did emerge was that space 1s not quite empty.” enter Ce el Oe Eee? = , ~ “4 - 4 4 Jeffrey Epstein: Februar jg \ t's Groundhog Day, and « ( ting the peak of his fame sode of Law & Order: SV _ own legal history. & q The setup for this episod: : q girl. One who's been flown tc 4 q vate jet, then flown back— cx , | On the plane, she has a fre ; guy sitting next to her is try | Police get involved. “It was just a birthday pz if q Cops via videoconference fron : o The cops ask: Whose pres “The billionaire. The one \ Does the French girl knov 236 4 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009317

JATTERSON aring variations on a scheme Mrs. perpetrated against her late hus- is his mentor, Seckel took books yok money and promised a book, rty lost money.” humorous.” one of Seckel’s marks $75,000. When the time came to o it.” al people whom Seckel had stiffed uits he’d been involved in. In 2007, ainst a man who'd edited his Wiki- heimer spoke with Seckel’s lawyer, at he’d reached a settlement for the irnalist wrote. “Hornberger added tim for his services.” I's wife, Isabel Maxwell. id date and married in Malibu in or 4 p the dates in my head,” Seckel E they moved to the South of France, a de in rare books and papers. While ~ | by a Virgin Islands company that raudulently attempting to sell rare tury portrait of Isaac Newton. ing to sell papers belonging to ell’s sister and the daughter of RoD- Firtuy Ricu It was an odd thing, Epstein’s association with this self-professed PhD who, on closer inspection, turned out to be a bit of a grifter. But the Mindshift conference that Epstein and Seckel hosted in the Virgin Islands did take place, in 2010. Murray Gell- Mann was there, along with Leonard Mlodinow, a physicist who coauthored books with Stephen Hawking. Gerald Sussman, an expert on artificial intelligence who taught at MIT and also attended the conference, said that he didn’t remember too much about it. “We had scientific discussions, talked about various things,” he said vaguely. When Mark Oppenheimer asked him if he’d given money to Seckel, Sussman “got tes