JAMES PATTERSON his team reviewed refuted the accusations of sexual misconduct against Dershowitz. , For Alan Dershowitz, the long nightmare he’d had to endure asa result of his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein finally seemed to be over. Ghislaine Maxwell Trying to put her troubles with Epstein behind her, Ghislaine Maxwell took up a new calling. “She’s doing something to save the oceans now,’ a socialite says over the din of cocktail-party chatter at a private Palm Beach Club, Maxwell's nonprofit, the TerraMar Project, describes itself as “a platform for citizenship and transformation of the high seas.” Its focus is on cleaning up the eight million metric tons of plastic debris—garbage—that are dumped into the world’s oceans each year. (Sources say that an earlier enterprise, the Seed Media Group, was funded by Jeffrey Epstein in 2005 to the tune of two million dollars.) “Is anybody here staying awake at night because they're frightened about the ocean?” she asks in 2014 at a TEDx talk in Charlottesville, Virginia. “Are you scared about what could hap- pen? Are you trying to think about what could you do that would help the ocean and all its myriad of troubles?” But although her efforts on behalf of the environment are sin- cere and articulate, Ghislaine still appears in the society pages. In 2010, she attends Chelsea Clinton's icine in Rhine- a beck, New York. In 2014, New York journalist Richard Johnson reports that she’s newly back from running in an Iditarod d

\TTERSON 10 was arrested for hiding more of jewelry. r people involved in Rothstein's enced. ration with the feds, his was the | which all the victims recovered in was put into a witness protec- fifty-year sentence anonymously, mM. *rshowitz arrived at Shriver Hall, s University, in Baltimore, to talk so obvious,” he said. “There has k, a group of women—students opkins Feminists—stood up in ‘ith duct tape over their mouths, d out of the hall. n read. > student paper asked Dershowitz ~ 7s victims. Wasn't it true that Der q ; té . Fo those victims was “asking for it! showitz replied. “I have an obliga- q ‘ovide a full and zealous detense (og all the things you had just listed, T P \ (sa ” und incompetent as counsel. ' i 72 FirtHy Ricy He asked the reporter, “Would any defense lawyer not look on the websites, look on social networks, find out what the woman who was accusing my client was doing? We were able to disprove many of the charges, just like how I was able to dis- prove the charges against me. Falsely charging somebody with rape is a heinous thing to do. First of all, it creates horrors for the person who has been falsely accused. Second, it so hurts real rape victims because it makes it clear that some women lie for money. Our country, unlike others, requires that everybody be detended, and I’m going to continue to do that whether my cli- ents are guilty or innocent. Let me tel] you, most of my clients have been guilty. They deserve a zealous defense ju

James PATTERSON and his own wife, Kimmie, who was arrested for hiding more than one million dollars’ worth of jewelry. All in all, more than thirty people involved in Rothstein's schemes were arrested and sentenced. Thanks, in part, to his cooperation with the feds, his was the only Ponzi scheme in history in which all the victims recovered their money. In return, Rothstein was put into a witness protec- tion program and is serving his fifty-year sentence anonymously, in an undisclosed prison location. Alan Dershowitz On November 10, 2015, Alan Dershowitz arrived at Shriver Hall, on the campus of Johns Hopkins University, im Baltimore, to talk about the Arab-Israeli conflict. “The outlines for peace are so obvious,” he said. “There has to be a two-state solution.” Fifteen minutes into the talk, a group of women—students belonging to a group called Hopkins Feminists—stood up in protest. Dressed all in black, with duct tape over their mouths, they held up a sign and marched out of the hall. YOU ARE RAPE CULTURE, the sign read. Afterward, a reporter for the student paper asked Dershowitz about Jeffrey Epstein and Epstein’s victims. Wasn't it true that Der showitz had implied that one of those victims was “asking for it?” “Tm a defense attorney,” Dershowitz replied. “I have an obliga- us defense to © d,1 tion under the Constitution to provide a full and zealo my clients. If I have failed to do all the things you had just liste could be disbarred. I could be found in

[TERSON >d bizarre. And yet everything ‘emed to be bizarre. a jet out of Epstein—a trip to *t bosom buddies. ready know how he feels about yet out of Epstein, aside from books he'd written? .ad, as he laid out his argument, y Epstein, all bets were off. He sence. All he had to do was make dy. The more complicated things re for Dershowitz. ctions, and the endlessly compli- tersuits those actions inspired, ndeed. CODA Scott Rothstein On October 27, 2009, Florida’s governor, Charlie Crist, left Scott Rothstein a voice-mail message. “Hey, Scott,” the governor said. “It’s Charlie, your favorite Greek governor. Hope you're doing well, buddy. Just wanted to touch base and let you know I’m working Versace for November twenty-fourth, and it is going amazingly well— unbelievable, brother....Really enjoyed again seeing you and Kimmie and watchling] a little football and best to you guys from Carol and me. We love you. Take care. Bye-bye.” That same day, Rothstein took a chartered Gulfstream V to Casablanca, Morocco. For a while, it seemed as if Rothstein was running. But a few days later, the same Gulfstream returned to q Fort Lauderdale. The Ponzi king had decided to turn himself in. The moment he did, he started to sing like a canary in return for a lenient sentence. Rothstein gave up dozens of associates— | the list included people at his law firm, law enforcement officers, HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009352

James PATTERSON All these possibilities seemed bizarre. And yet everything CE connected with Epstein’s story seemed to be bizarre. Bill Clinton got the use of a jet out of Epstein—a trip to Africa. But he and Epstein weren't bosom buddies. As for Prince Andrew, we already know how he feels about women. But what did Dershowitz get out of Epstein, aside from Epstein’s wise counsel on all the books he'd written? One advantage Dershowitz had, as he laid out his argument, was that when it came to Jeffrey Epstein, all bets were off. He didn’t have to establish his innocence. All he had to do was make ] sure that the waters stayed muddy. The more complicated things ; seemed to be, the better they were for Dershowitz. a Thanks to Jeffrey Epstein’s actions, and the endlessly compli- Scott Rothstein On October 27, 2009, Floric cated cycle of suits and countersuits those actions inspired, Rothstein a voice-mail mess os A 7? ‘ . «4 q . — 7 4 Or, re oe those waters were very muddy indeed. “Hey, Scott,” the gover Greek governor. Hope you’ 7 touch base and let you kno | twenty-fourth, and it is ge brother.... Really enjoyed ; watchling] a little football a me. We love you. Take care. That same day, Rothstei Casablanca, Morocco. For a Tunning. But a few days late 4 Fort Lauderdale. The Ponzi! q j The moment he did, he s for a lenient sentence. Roths ] the list included people at hi 270 HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009351

TTERSON -arances, he could afford it: sev- 1, which had offices in Florida, t Rothstein’s millions actually scheme he'd been running since dwards joined Rothstein's firm. ; along, and Rothstein showed potential investors. In exchange ein said, investors would receive ‘er, which Epstein would pay in | say that Edwards had no knowl- scheme. (Prosecutors, and the -as soon as he caught wind of the But the few months he spent in howitz the opening he needed to usations. ce, Dershowitz would say, as well 2oberts added Dershowitz's name ad abused her. 'd been pulled into a billion- dollar tched. And for Edwards and Cas- 4 y benefit: Dershowitz had helped 7 ntial non-prosecution agreement i licating him directly in Epsteins 4 ershowitz claimed, Edwards ange p” that agreement. | Mary pass on the part of wn internal logic. 268 i ar ‘ek r Fiitay Ricw The idea that Bradley. Edwards and Paul Cassell were trying to blackmail Leslie Wexner—blackmail him for one billion dollars, no less—sounds highly improbable. But we do know for a fact that Edwards had worked with Rothstein—a man who'd been running his own billion-dollar con. Edwards may not have known that Rothstein was taking his files on Jeffrey Epstein and showing them to investors. But Edwards's proximity to Rothstein didn’t look good. It may not have been as damaging as Dershowitz’s close friendship with Epstein, but it was damaging nonetheless. It gave Dershowitz the opening he needed to make his argument. And th

JAMES PATTERSON Association. By all outward appearances, he could afford it: sev- enty lawyers worked in his firm, which had offices in Florida, New York, and Venezuela. But Rothstein's millions actually came from a $1.2 billion Ponzi scheme he’d been running since 2005. In April of 2009, Bradley Edwards joined Rothstein's firm. The lawyer brought his papers along, and Rothstein showed those pertaining to Epstein to potential investors. In exchange for a lump sum up front, Rothstein said, investors would receive a far larger chunk of money later, which Epstein would pay in future settlements. Edwards and Rothstein both say that Edwards had no knowl- edge whatsoever of the Ponzi scheme. (Prosecutors, and the Florida Bar, agree.) Edwards left as soon as he caught wind of the scheme, in November of 2009. But the few months he spent in Rothstein’s company gave Dershowitz the opening he needed to pry open Virginia Roberts's accusations. It was at Edwards’s insistence, Dershowitz would say, as well as Paul Cassell’s, that Virginia Roberts added Dershowitz's name to the list of men she claimed had abused her. According to Dershowitz, he'd been pulled into a billion-dollar extortion plot Edwards had hatched. And for Edwards and Cas- sell, there had been a secondary benefit: Dershowitz had helped to work out Epstein’s confidential non-prosecution agreement with the government. By implicating him directly in Epsteins abuse of underage women, Dershowitz claimed, Edwards and ~ Ca

\TTERSON Prince Andrew in there in order and the world. And every media ‘led me, from the BBC to CBS to ed to lies with the truth. apted to convey was that Bradley | Cassell were unethical lawyers ; against you, right? to convey was that the charges fabricated, that 1 never had any that I never had any sexual con- 3ecause Professor Cassell insisted that he was a former judge and — | that he was using — improperly, ‘y and name of his university to s, I felt that it was imperative for sngaging in improper and unethi- e been improper for me to have bility as a former federal judge, as ises, his university imprimatur— ne to attack the credibility of the - formation. And it was important = yublic that Bradley Edwards was 4 4 in, a man who is spending filty ~ ly creating a Ponzi scheme to sell q lidn’t exist. Va i” rs CHAPTER 67 Scott Rothstein: 2009 cott Rothstein was a flashy Fort Lauderdale ex-lawyer who parked his collection of cars in an air-conditioned ware- house, kept a copy of the Torah on his desk, and hung a portrait of Al Pacino as Michael Corleone outside his office. One of his nicknames was TPOFD, short for “the Prince of Fucking Darkness,” and in private, he'd say things like: “Understand that the repercussions of engaging me could open the gates of hell. _ Understand that I am capable of evil far beyond anything your _ imagination could ever conjure up.” Rothstein hosted receptions for prominent politicians —John ; McCain, Bobby Jindal, Arnold Schwarz

James PATTERSON Epstein; they obviously put Prince Andrew in there in order to get massive publicity around the world. And every media in the world, practically, called me, from the BBC to CBS to ABC to CNN, and I responded to lies with the truth. - And the truth that you attempted to convey was that Bradley Edwards and Professor Paul Cassell were unethical lawyers who fabricated false charges against you, right? - The truth that I intended to convey was that the charges against me were false and fabricated, that I never had any sexual contact— - Fabricated by whom, sit? - Please don't interrupt me....that l never had any sexual con- tact with Virginia Roberts. Because Professor Cassell insisted on conveying to the public that he was a former judge and © that he was a professor and that he was using — improperly, in my view—the stationery and name of his university to add credibility to his claims, | felt that it was imperative for me to indicate that he was engaging in impropet and unethi- cal conduct. It would have been improper for me to have allowed his use of his credibility as a former federal judge, as a professor who uses, misuses, his university imprimatur — it was very important for me to attack the credibility of the messengers of the false information. And it was important ey: for me to also remind the public that Bradley Edwards was 4 partner of [Scott] Rothstein, a man who is spending fifty years in jail for fraudulently creating a Ponzi scheme to se

TTERSON *becca says Virginia had previ- vas abused by? on. Wexner one of the people that the question. | fore December of 2014, when the q that your name had come up 7 1 Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse of minors, 1 ‘-e 2014, end of December, was it acted in any way inappropriately erts, that I ever touched her, that + been with her. I was completely never been any allegation. She told you that secretly in 2011, but 3 ‘s of any such conversation. You, a 1is allegation and will be deposed 7 on. I believe it is an entirely false ‘ in 2011 that she had had any sex ~ nk she’s lying through her teeth 4 doubt that your notes will reveal if she did tell you that, she would lying. So I am completely a were put in a legal pleading at " was never alleged that I had am My \ . ‘eu - § 264 Firtuy Ricw sexual contact with Virginia Roberts. I know that it was alleged that I was a witness to Jeffrey Epstein’s alleged abuse, and that was false. I was never a witness to any of Jeffrey Fpstein’s sexual abuse. And I wrote that to you, something that you have falsely denied. And I stand on the record. The record is clear that I have categorically denied I was ever a witness to any abuse, that I ever saw Jetfrey Epstein abusing anybody. And—and the very idea that I would stand and talk to Jeffrey Epstein while he was receiving oral sex from Virginia Roberts, which she swore to under oath, is so outra- cous, So preposterous, that even David Boies [a prominent lawyer associated with the firm re

JaMEs PATTERSON 11:35 a.m. Q: Who are the people that Rebecca says Virginia had previ- ously told her that Virginia was abused by? | A: [never asked her that question. Q: Did you ask her was Les Wexner one of the people that j abused Virginia? A: I told you I never asked her the question. Q: Are you aware that years before December of 2014, when the PA CVRA pleading was filed, that your name had come up repeatedly in connection with Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse of minors, correct? A: 1am aware that never before 2014, end of December, was it ever, ever alleged that I had acted in any way inappropriately with regard to Virginia Roberts, that I ever touched her, that | ever met her, that I had ever been with her. I was completely aware of that. There had never been any allegation. She claims under oath that she told you that secretly in 2011, but you have produced no notes of any such conversation. You, of course, are a witness to this allegation and will be deposed ~ as a witness to this allegation. ! believe it is an entirely false F allegation that she told you in 2011 that she had had any sex 4 ual contact with me. | think she’s lying through her teeth : ; , when she says that. And I doubt that your notes will reveal 4 any such information. But if she did tell you that, she would ih be absolutely, categorically lying. So I am completely aware that never—until the lies were put in a legal pleading at the | end of December 2014, it was never alleged that | had any & 264

TTERSON y. And that I was named as an llionaire what could happen to sed of sexual misconduct. And settle a lawsuit or pay money in being mentioned or revealed. I ‘didn’t —1 didn’t ask about this. >n corroborated the fact that she rything she had said to me. at she was absolutely correct in to you? } -stion. | was very —I wasn't sure, ot his wife on the phone, Abigail ‘ A iat the only billionaire in Colum- . >d Too and who owned Victoria's had met Leslie Wexner on two ife. I called Abigail on the phone it to know that there is an extor- nst your husband by unscrupu- ” And she said, “Oh, we're aware -in contact with us,” which sur nt] was confirmation of that. 1 E he chronology of that. I then was id out she was absolutely correct 4 t interviewed on ABC television. 4 client, Brad Edwards, had sent a 4 | the area urging them to watch © :duled to be on three television en, it was [the] Good Day Show 62 Firtuy Ricw the evening news, and the show Nightline. ...1 then was in communication with ABC and helped to persuade them that they would be putting false information on the air if they allowed Virginia Roberts to tell her false story. So I was able to corroborate that. I then also corroborated the fact that she had never mentioned me when her boyfriend appeared on television and publicly stated that she had never mentioned me in any of her description[s] of people who she had sexual contact with. So I was then completely satisfied that Rebecca was telling me the complete

> O James PATTERSON paying a large sum of money. And that I was named as an effort to try to show the billionaire what could happen to somebody if they were accused of sexual misconduct. And that would encourage him to settle a lawsuit or pay money in exchange for his name not being mentioned or revealed. | had no idea about this. And I didn’t—I didn't ask about this. She just stated this. And I then corroborated the fact that she was absolutely correct in everything she had said to me. - You corroborated the fact that she was absolutely correct in everything that she had said to you? - That’s right. : How? : Okay. Let me answer that question. I was very —I wasn't sure, so I called Leslie Wexner. I got his wife on the phone, Abigail Wexner. Obviously I knew that the only billionaire in Colum- bus, Ohio, who owned Limited Too and who owned Victoria's Secret was Leslie Wexner. I had met Leslie Wexner on two occasions, I think, and his wife. I called Abigail on the phone and I said, “I think you ought to know that there is an extor- tion plot being directed against your husband by unscrupu- lous lawyers in—in Florida.” And she said, “Oh, were aware of that; they’ve already been in contact with us,” which sur prised me. But [her statement] was confirmation of that. I a then also —I can’t give you the chronology of that. I then was in touch with ABC and found out she was absolutely correct ~ about her efforts to try to get interviewed on ABC television. 3 In fact, I lear

ATTERSON know that we did produce tele- levant periods of time when Vir- y Epstein, and those telephone ‘ould not have been at the loca- Virginia Roberts claimed to have ve [had] sexual contact with me. ) get to those. ll the flight logs that you claim contact that you had with either ritiated the second contact? yt Michael on the phone. $ your superb memory allows you as said during the course of that iect to the form and the continued F e’s described his memory. Thats : | thead. Ar. Dershowitz’s characterization, ~ asked Michael if he had spoken ° he was still reluctant to talk to ™ . 260 Fittuyy Ricw : I'm sorry—she said yes when you asked Michael if he had spoken to his wife? : He said yes. And that she was still reluctant to talk to me. I suggested to him that perhaps she could talk to me briefly Just so that she hears what I have to say. And he could listen and remain on the phone, and she could stop at any time she wanted. And there came a time during that conversation when she did get on the phone, and here’s what she told me. She said she had grown up with Virginia Roberts. That they were very, very close friends as young people. That Virginia Roberts came to stay with her for a number of days, I think it was over Halloween, and they had gone out and had dinner, just the two of them. And that she confided in her: Virginia Roberts confided in Rebecca that she had never wanted to mention me in any of the pleadings, but she was pressured by her lawyer in

JaMES PATTERSON A: 1 left that to my lawyers. I know that we did produce tele- phone records during the relevant periods of time when Vir- ginia Roberts knew Jeffrey Epstein, and those telephone records established that I could not have been at the loca- tions and at the times that Virginia Roberts claimed to have had—falsely claimed to have [had] sexual contact with me. Q: I promise you we're going to get to those. A: Good. Q: Promise you. Along with all the flight logs that you claim exonerate you. 11:11 a.m. : Let’s go to the very second contact that you had with either Michael or Rebecca. Who initiated the second contact? - 1 think I did. I called and got Michael on the phone. - Where did you call from? : [think New York. - Tell me in as much detail as your superb memory allows you to recall everything that was said during the course of that Q Oro>r phone conversation. [Dershowitz’s lawyer]: Let’s object to the form and the continued use of the word superb. He’s described his memory. That's your characterization. Go ahead. Q: No, I think that that was Mr. Dershowitz’s characterization, ~ which I have adopted. [Lawyer]: Okay. Go ahead. A: I called, spoke to Michael. I asked Michael if he had spoken og his wife. She said yes, and she was still reluctant to talk to mg 4 260 Fy Q: I'm sorry—she said yes spoken to his wife? A: He said yes. And that sh suggested to him that p just so that she hears wh and remain on the phone wanted. And there cam when she

TTERSON my recollection. That's my best ersation that you had with this n indicating that this person was Edwards had engaged in unethi- vat she said to me. She said to me sctly by her friend Virginia Rob- yvernight for a period of time, that n me in any of the pleadings. And e pleadings, or her lawyers who red her into including my name o you that the details sworn to by 2 at, yes. She mentioned to me that / . er, ever mentioned [me to her], 4 hat she had had any contact with, 7 ressured into doing so by her law-_ versation, the impression you had 4 ss who could provide information” Paul Cassell had acted unethically” ovide the information because SHE ne forward. She didn’t want t0 "| , 258 Fittuy Ricw involved. But I knew she had provided me with information, yes, but I didn’t know, and I still don’t know, whether she is prepared to be a witness. I don’t know the answer to that question. 11:08 a.m. > : Was any request made by you for a meeting? Yes. : Let me back up then, if I could, please. Because what I want you to do, based upon your superb memory, is to tell us in as much detail as you possibly can recall everything that was said. ... : I'm not sure the request for the meeting came in the first call or the second call....The first call was basically, ’'d really like to talk to your wife [Rebecca] about this. I’m happy to fly down. I'm happy to talk to you on the phone. And we left it that they would think —that she would—that he would ask her to thi

James PATTERSON number and they called, is my recollection. That’s my best recollection. 10:45 a.m. Q: So from the very first conversation that you had with this person, you had information indicating that this person was informing you that Bradley Edwards had engaged in unethi- cal conduct, correct? A: Let me just be very clear what she said to me. She said to me that she had been told directly by her friend Virginia Rob- erts, who stayed with her overnight for a period of time, that she never wanted to mention me in any of the pleadings. And that her two lawyers in the pleadings, or her lawyers who filed the pleadings, pressured her into including my name and details. Q: Did’Rebecca ever suggest to you that the details sworn to by Virginia Roberts were false? A: She certainly suggested that, yes. She mentioned to me that Virginia Roberts had never, ever mentioned [me to herl, among any of the people that she ha until she —until she was pressured into doing so by her law- © yers, yes. , Q: So from the very first conversation, the impression yo was that this was a witness who could provide information 4 that Bradley Edwards and Paul Cassell had acted unethically ; and dishonestly, correct? A: | wasn’t sure she could provide the information becau was very reluctant to come forward. She di 258 d had any contact with, § y had © se she © dn’t want to be’ F involved. But I knew shi i yes, but I didn’t know, < prepared to be a witne: 7 question. ; q 11:08 a.m.

N _ Frrtuy RicH ATTERSO A: No. I took note of names, but not really notes of the sub- stance, no. Q: Have you ever made notes with regard to the substance of any communications that you allegedly had with Rebecca and/or Michael? \y phone conversations [you had] A: I didn't “allegedly” have these conversations. I had these con- ‘tween six and ten, maybe closer , versations. And I don’t recall taking notes of those conversa- s] she called me, and after I got 1 tions. number of times. e? e from hers, but again. 10:44 a.m. Seach. in the Palm Beach area. They : , Q: How many phone calls did you have with this person Rebecca Roberts since she was a young child. before she informed you as to the reason why she was call- to any of these phone conversa- ing you? re extortion plot. Vlichael, and you? A: She informed me the first time. Q: The very first conversation. A: Yes. Q: How many phone calls was it before she asked you for money? ation occur? A: She never asked me for money. cific information about that. But it a Q: How many phone calls was it before her husband asked you e story was in the newspapers, she 3 , for money? ire story to me and related to me = _ A: I was never asked for money, ever. a | @ Do you know how it is that these people knew how to con- | tact you? 4 A: They told me they went to my website and got my number _ 4nd left a message for me to call. Yeah, that’s what happened. Oh, no; they sent me— they went on my website and sent me an e-mail and

JAMES PaTTERSON 10:23 a.m. Q: Would you tell us how many phone conversations [you had] with this person Rebecca? A: More than six. Probably between six and ten, maybe closer to ten. The first few [times] she called me, and after I got their number I called her a number of times. Q: What is her husband’s name? A: Michael. Different last name from hers, but again. Q: Where do they live? A: Palm Beach. Or West Palm Beach, in the Palm Beach area. They have been friends of Virginia Roberts since she was a young child. Q: Were there any witnesses to any of these phone conversa- tions other than Rebecca, Michael, and you? As “Yes. Q: Who? A: My wife. | Q: When did the first conversation occur? A: Ican probably get you specific information about that. But it was months ago. When the story was in the newspapers, she called and related the entire story to me and related to me 7 that it was part of a massive extortion plot. 10:25 a.m. Q: Did you take contemporaneous notes of those phone conver” sations? 256 A: No. I took note of naj stance, no. Q: Have you ever made n any cOMmmunications t and/or Michael? A: I didn’t “allegedly” have versations. And I don’t: tions. 10:44 a.m. Q: How many phone calls d before she informed yor ing you? She informed me the fir: The very first conversati Yes. How many phone calls w She never asked me for n ioe oO How many phone calls y for money? > : I was never asked for mo: _ Do you know how it is t tact you? q A: They to

ATTERSON ou swearing under oath encour- clude allegations of an encounter » ranch? our clients, both Judge Cassell both involved in encouraging rious affidavit that they knew or perjurious recently when they matory allegation in the federal that what you are charging Brad- Paul Cassell with doing was sub- e question, I am directly charging BY, dwards with suborning perjury.1 irginia Roberts did not want to 5 ds that she did not want to mem- ~ pressured by her lawyers into 4 : allegations against me. Yes, yYOUr = ng perjury. i P Edwards pressured Virginia Rob- you? ; ts who called me out of the blue rrified by what was happening to d meetings with Virginia Rober old her that she never mentionet ryers pressured her into menti om : What was the name of the person? : Her name is—her first name is Rebecca. I don’t know the last name. Pete ee er OS ing me. And mentioning me over her desire not to mention Did you attempt to find out her last name? ; [have her last name written down, but— ; It's in my—in my notes. And I could get it for you.... : When did you write Rebecca’s name down? When she—when she first called me—let me be very clear, since you've asked me the question. At first her husband and she called me on the phone. They would not give me their names. But they told me [the] story. We had a series of phone conversations in which I asked them, please, to tell me their names. And after a period of time, after they told me the story in great detail, she was will