JAMES PATTERSON What. sort of | ‘t let her meet him. friendly with the ’ Bjorlin mentor her. | wouldn man approaches a young girl and ask In the meantime, Maxwell had become “t trusted Cshislaine, che was like 4 mother, he was always calling my house. “Ghislaine dikint want me to meet Epstein, but 1 did anyws and | asked what he wanted with Nadia. He said he wanted. help her singing career. He said, Ta like to be like a godlather. felt creepy. “Thad a ba chank you. She doesn him. She never met himalone. Despite her suspicions, i took Eps g mother wonder whether Maxwell and Ep aughter up lor his stable of underage wore; to help farmaily. mother recalled. “S d vibe about him and said, ‘Stop! L told him,” ¢ need your help. | kept Nadia away ft sein’s arrest 10 make Bio stein hadu't b i¢ Wexner: 19 im sizing her 4 Russian-Jewish yp FACILUTT BF HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009269

James PATTERSON Brooklyn boy knew noi few months beiore his demise. “It was poor. it was Jewish. We were very poor. We didnt « had, They had shoes, they had at, | discovered the fate of ives, and neighbors. Maxwell said 4 was Orthodox. And it have. things that other peopl food, and we did't. At the end of the w sisters and brothers, rela through their minds 4s they realized filed in 2009 by a womat taught Epstein the differ: But despite-——or was ii my parents and my 1 don’t know what went that they'd been tricked inte a ga Maxwells own death was followed by an imternational sca dal. It rarned out that he'd stolen hundreds of millions of ‘poun from his companies’ pension funds and used them to prop ap ernpire. Two of his sons were tried. for conspiracy to com: fraud and altimately exonerated. But Ghislaine, who had gr up in luxurious surroundings and counted the Duke of Yo Prince Andrew, among her intimates, could not escape the dar shadow her father had cast. Lookimg to start fresh, she £00 Concorde to New York City, s chamber.” axwell called the alleg: The case of Nadia B rst noticed by Epstein, he eyes of her mothe: Bjorlin’s lranian-bort rsago about her famil d Epstein were lovers. “Sh ipstein. Bjorlin’s fat ime friend of Ghisl: At first, it seems, Maxwell an ve with jeifrey.” says 4 longt me something more. Ghisla ments. She managed. his hou lawsuits and witne have passed through. According, t mony, she also became One of several women who p young girls

JAMES PATTERSON had to loan Epstein money ; d friend says that he d seized Epstein's cat Cne estrange garage. which ha to pay the bill at Epsteims for nonpayment. Another estrange nickels to Tub together. former m0 del, say ould give to his {rie d friend says that Epstein didn't have © ¢ that Epstein always ha ads so they did Diana Crane, 4 Grst-class upgrades he w have to fly economy class. “No one knew where or how he got them.” Crane recal d other times chey didn’t. l rem Concorde jacket. He ask ell people he always flew on “sometimes they worked, an of mine wearing & ber he saw a friend if he could borrow it jacket back. But Epstein would t Concorde 4 total Ve But even if Epstein were a big fish to catch. From the get-go. Meis about Epstein. About the way he he worked himsell inte rheit inner circle. Before long, Wendy was calling Epstein the virus. But for Ep stein, the Meisters weren't the point. Wexner And hard as it 15 to understand why rhe bilhionalr ed out that Wexner , islaine Maxwell flush, Les Wexnet would have Epstein, the bs presented himself and th social ladder. T from the Unite oreign Legion associate wi Hoffenberg, # turn along pertectly well. ¢ on to becor is supersize y tet! Salets HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009265

James PATTERSON bought his own jet, a luxury yacht, and a Long, island mansion - ro go with his expensive Manhattan apartment. He'd also briefly owned 2 controlling interest in the New York Post. | ; To cover his tracks, Hoffenberg had been taking money from investors and using it te pay previous mvestors. li was a classi Ponzi scheme-— one of the biggest in history —and Hotienber ended up spending nineteen years ina federal prison. Why was Epstein not implicated in the case? All that Hoffes berg will say when asked is: “Ask Robert Gold.” Another source suggests that Gold, the former federal pros cator who had helped Epstein recover Ana Obregon's mone kept the US attorney away from Epstein. until there were only few weeks left before the statute of limitations ran out. As for Epstein himself, he would always deny any WYor oximity to Hoffenberg, he managed to av doing. Despite his pr che blast radius. obert Meister, the vici _kerage and consulting her looked farniliar. Th tangle. Maybe Epst so be grateful for the idence to suggest th ¥ Stearns bonus—— ‘or Ana Obregon— HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009263

James PATTERSON always someone more Asli call each name, ill be our five Finalists. s the total 3 you will see a figure on your television screen. That } nee she became a semifinalist eived by the contestant si 1 would point out to you. the pot total is no Aho our eventual winner will be. Being firs g first at rhe time of our judges fink ae them. 7 “As a result, they ¥ “eorner. nem noteie score rec But one thing necessarily a sign ld Po al winner witbe Beingfitst by his side through 2 ig no. guarantee af bein ballot.” Oh, get on with it, Miss Sweden thinks. And, 45 ifby her com mand, Bob Barker does. “Now our five finalists. G ood tuck, girls! The first finalist: Miss Sweden!” Eva's hands fly up to her face. The time it takes her to walk the front of the stage 1s all the time she needs to stop herself f crying. o be. Miss USA, Shawn Weatherly, on to become 4 star on netheless. After the. pag rockholm, fish al medicine For Eva, it's not meantt that years competition-——she ll go + ya's future is secure BO ee years studying in 5S become a doctor of intern jeffrey Epstem. hey were & couple say Uh ays he considered med Glenn watch. Da shell spend thr school at UCLA, and Along the way, she'll meet e who knew them when t y Epstein. One friend s nded up with aman na ained very close. And if Eva > Epstein ended up dati ;—-as he made People wanted to marr ously. In the end, Evae though she and Epsters rem. al “ane who got away, impressive women —~ world-class be

James PATTERSON that he recovered. And though it took him three years, working with Robert Gold and the US attorney’s office, Epstem finally did ’s maze and recover Obregon's make his way to the center of DGS money. Most of it was being held in a bank in the Cayman Islands. Epstein's agreement with Ana prevents Us from knowing — 4 ‘q covered—and how much he kept. But given the } Epstein likely earned millions—or more— Obregon has nothing but appreciation for how much he re amounts at stake, and to this day Ana what Epstein accomplished. “I know he’s had some p thing to do with that.” As for Epstein, he came out ndi: from now on, he'd only wo roblems.” she says. “I don't want any- of the deal with a new modus. Eva Andersson: opera rk with the super rich. ; iss Swede zling whi the stage _ winner of this, the pocoul, South Korea E “And now that ‘See which five girls ¥ Barker pauses, lightens. There are | even if they’re not « “On this card ec eived the highes | mer lew, the swin “Eva feels the cz ag Ng in betwee HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009255

JaMES PATTERSON Avery well-connected group of Spanish families — including sted with Drysdale. ain’s royal family —had inve millions of dollars. members of Sp s stood to lose hundreds of Those investor And Ana’s father was one of those investors. What Ana wanted trom Jeffrey Epstein was help in recover- ing her father’s money. “My father, hes done something stupid,” she to A Spanish accent. A Brooklyn accent. They together, and Ana was so very lovely. it turned out that Epstein was willing to help. “Something stupid, you See, with the money. The family money. Some—what do you call it? A scheme. He knew some of the people, but they lied to him. And now the money 1s gone.” Id him. blended well People who knew Jeffrey Eps his exit or ouster — whatever ing from couch to couch for offices before settling down in on East 66th Street. er all, Epstein left Bear Stearns Irs a bit hard to believe. Aft with a good deal of money. But Epstein's lifestyle was expensive,” and Ana was still in her rwen- a He was a man on the make then, Studio —the New York city s ties, plying her craft at the Actors theater institution that Marlon Brando, Robert De Niro, Jack Nicholson, and Jane Fonda had all b tein told Ana that he’d forme +t was—from Bear Stearns. Mov- — a while. Sleeping 1n his lawyers : an apartment in the Solow Tower, = 4 een members of. Eps d a company, International Assets Group. To Ana, this sounded very impress ation that Epstein was runnin ive. In fact, [AG

JAMES PaTTERSON x * «* Whatever the reasons for his resignation, Epstein still gets his. annual bonus of around $100,000 (roughly $275,000 in today’s dollars). The SEC never ‘brings charges against him or any othe Bear Stearns employee. Andso the particulars of Epstein’s depa ture get folded up ito che greater mystery surrounding the mal Did Epstein crash the rocket ship that Ace Greenberg had giv . him to pilot? Or did he take it and fly tt put, over the horizon? Fither way, Epstein was out om his own. | For him, the future would only get brighter. HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009251

James PATTERSON University, located 4 few blocks away. There, at the Courant Institute of Mathematical sciences, he stuclies the mathematical physiology of the heart. But he never graduates irom arty college or university. University of Missov 1949, That same yea of rejections at whit By 1975, Epstein is reaching at the Dalton School, a prestigiow: private school on the Upper East Side. Like Tavern on the Green, Grand Central Terminal, and the Century Association, Dalton i 3 oe a New York imstitution-~ah elite K-12 rocket ship built for the naff children of New York's ruling classes. | ir’s not at all clear how Epstem, who has no college degre ends wp there. And yet here he is, barely out of his teens and already a teacher math and physics. “Go forth unafraid” is the Dalton School's credo eenberg didn’t IVs a philosophy Epstein has adopted. For him, excellent launching pad. it’s nothing like Lafayette High School. The kids he’s te ing are rich very rich. Their parents are extre pecially low) nected, And despite Epsteins euter-borough accent, he’s ca fray Fnstel — ou. _ : oS , | . : rey Epstein, ¢ in his presentation. Atany given moment, he’s one parent-tea Se conference away from @ whole new world of possibilities. Because Dalion has an excellent student-to-teacher ratio parents get to know Epstein quite well, Before long, 4 Wall macher named Alan SAce” Greenberg has taken a special sh! rhe young man who's been tutoring his son Ted. Like Epstein, Ace Greenberg c

James PaTTERSON properties in Manhattan, inchiding 301 East 66th Street. He asked his brother-—did Mark Grossberg himsell has had his ups and downs. At one point, he worked in a building. owned by the Epstem brothers. There, d him a story about a little-known side of Jet- who lived in South America, des t. Epstein paid for the: want to join him? He did.” ne says, porter told him a story about alittle-known side ofJef 7 frey Epstein. The porter’s wile, perately needed an organ transplan. operation. “That's just typical, Grossberg says. “That's who he alway was, jong as 1 knew him.” hool,” says another old classmate, a nothing special about it. 2 He lives in Soul “Lalayette was a City SC Rosen. “It was functional. There w Rosen is a retited postal worker. ., like Jeffrey Epstein, he'd grown up in. Sea Gat : James Florida now, bu “There was a lot of wolatility at Lafayette,” Rosen recalls at one time, 90 percent Ital sghais collide § was a blue-collar area that was, Then a small amount of Jews move The Italians didn’t want the Jews t e moving im, 100, he remembers, and he animosity was aimed at hey thought we d in, and there — o be there. anti-Semitism. Black families wer panic ones. But he says most af t “There were fights in the schools. 1 going to take over.” But Epstein seems buddies——-who called him Ep While they hung out on the beach, rked on his prized stamp collection. vard or Yal to have made friends easily. Even then py--could see. he was $ Epstein pla

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JaMEs PATTERSON came to provide a massage. He knew for one of the girls that the girls were still in high school and were of high school age. here was a lot tasked Rodriguez about the massages. He felt t more going on than just massages. He would often clean Mr. Epstein’s bedroom after the and would discover massagers/vibrators floor. He also said he would d put them away in alleged massages and sex toys scattered on the wipe down the vibrators and sex toys an He described the armoire as 4 small wood armoire which was on the wall close to Epstein’s bed. On one occasion Epstein ordered Rodriguez to go to the Dollar rent a car and rent a car for the same girl he brought the roses to, sO that she could drive her self to Epstein’s house without inci- dent. Rodriguez said the girl always needed rides to and an armoire. from the house. Rodriguez produced a green folde Epstein’s stationery with direc- ary’s] High School after r which contained doc- uments, and a note with Mr. tion to deliver a bucket of roses to [M [a] high school drama performance. ... During the course of the investigation, subpoenas were obtained for cell phone and home phone records from several victims and witnesses along with the cell phone records of Sarah Kellen. An analysis of these records was conducted which found numerous telephone calls were made between Sarah Kellen and the victims. These records indicate the dates the calls were made are consistent with the dates and times the victims/witn

James PATTERSON Palm Beach PD and prevailed upon him to have the investigation called off. Epstein had met Alessi a ined, and made no g to get t a luncheonette, he expla Alessi had agreed to pay back the money. At the time, it s a busy man. He was goin sense to prosecute. Epstein wa e police into his home to install his money. But he did invite th meras. [his was a service that the Palm Beach PD provided ly one with access to the foot- the ca (though Epstein would be the on police had noticed a group of ed to be camped out at the + while they were there, the age). Bu young women who seem attractive house. The group included Sarah Kellen None of the girls was 4 relative 0 caught the cops’ attention. And now, as the search continues, of the very same girls. On Epstein's desk, the officers transcript. The thing is, Epstein house ha as though they've to have been remo “(Judging] by t Chief Reiter will say 10 his one probably had cleaned it up 4 bit.” Maybe there's nothing too surprising abou Reiter’s team knows that Epstein’s gotten wind of tion. What is surprising is that for a house that’s b there’s so much left lyin In fact, the oddest t and Nadia Marcinkova. { Epstein — that fact had the cops see photographs Gnd Alison’s high school the detectives cant shake the feeling that the arrival. Shelves look 5 been tidied up for their been emptied, and several photographs appear ved from the walls. he condition of the plac deposition for B.B. v g around.

JaMES PATTERSON Epstein’s penis was deformed. [She] explained that his penis by other girls, includi was oval shaped. [She] claimed when Epstein’s penis was Probably nat. sonal erect, it was thick toward the bottom but was thin and small also in line with what 2 toward the head portion. [She] called Epstein’s penis Detective Recare “egg-shaped.” [She] stated Epstein would photograph Mar- on the investigation ee cinkova and her naked and having sex and proudly display } It was enough oe the photographs within the home. [Alison] stated during one P| Bh warrant visit to Epstein’s house in which she provided a massage to : ae Epstein, his female friend, Nada [sic] Marcinkova, was also 4 ql present. [Alison] provided the massage in which Marcinkova a and her would fondle each other's breasts and kiss for Epstein to enjoy. Towards the end of this massage, Epstein grabbed [Alison] and turned her over onto her stomach on the mas- sage table and forcibly inserted his penis into her vagina: [Alison] stated Epstein began to pump his penis in her vagina. [She] became upset over this. She said her head was being held against the table forcibly, as he continued to pump inside her. She screamed “No!” and Epstein stopped. She told him that she did not want to have his penis inside of her. Epstein did not ejaculate inside of her and apologized for his actions and subsequently paid her a thousand dollars for that visit. [Alison] stated she knows he still displays her pho- tographs through ou

JAMES PATTERSON Dobbs. They drive ove: the kitchen — maybe sc and this had led to a fight—a “verbal disagreement” — with Epstein. She'd left with and told Wendy, “Let’s go!” “If youre uncomfortable,’ out getting paid. Gone down to the kitchen they're walked upstai ait towel. Sometimes witk Wendy had told her, tell him to mend their friends, anc None of the girls cc stop, and he will.” On the other hand, Wendy had also told her, “The more you ; 4 been trained as a mass: do, the more you get paid.” ; become a licensed mas: o return to the house on El ca eighteen years old, at A few weeks later, she agreed t or GED. Brillo. ain Sarah had taken Jenny upstairs and into the mas- Once ag ter bedroom. Sarah had set up the massage table, laid out the oils am that Jenny would use. Then Epstein had entered the room wearing only a towel. Jenny had been wearing tight jeans. She had a tight belt on. pstein still made a grab for her his back and grabbed for her fh ia én oe me to le a gy ee ee 8 ro bi. i er sa 2 . rf ~ ee She kept the jeans on, though E buttocks. Then he rolled onto breasts. Jenny became upset yet again. But this time, she was id two hundred dollars before leaving. She nevet did go back pa she has one more thing to tell to the house. But, like Francine, the detectives. Another girl from her high schoo of her second visit with Epstein. Kri d “a problem” with Epstein. the time. And the detec | had been there on the day ; stina. And later, Kristina told J

them at th them to her husband and d Sitting down at the dining yous. In between biting her yes, she’s She met Epstein’s chet and sp Then she left. P Jenny, if you remember anything e ut the whole thing behind me.” James PATTERSON e front door and invites them inside. She introduces aughter. Jenny 1s sixteen years old. om table, they see that she’s ner- ro that lip and fidgeting, she tells them been to Jeffrey Epsteins house. othing much happened. Wendy took her there once. But n the kitchen is all. ent some time in she says. “But really, I just want to “I get what youre asking,” “You have our numbers. But “Okay,” the officers tell her. Ise, youll find that we're very good listeners.” One down. Five to go. e Recarey and Detective Michael Dawson have better rl who tells them that a year knew from high school — Detectiv luck the next day with Francine, a gl earlier, Wendy Dobbs—someone she drove her to the house on El Brillo Way. ncine would have been seventeen at sworn statemen Fra the time. Now she’s willing to make a noted: She was told she could make money working for Jeff. She was told she would have to provide a massage for Jeff.... She was brought to the kitchen area by [Dobbs]. They met with the house chef who was already in the Kitchen area. Francine stated [Wendy] would wait for her in the kitchen. t. The officers j Just as she did wit Francine upstairs and the room, wearing onl She kept her cloth ; sometime during th ! Fi and pulled

JAMES PATTERSON adult, okay? You're nineteen. You do what you do. You know, we can drop you off at the end of the block if you'd like. Or we can cushion the blow beyond what—but again, youre helping us at this point. We've been pretty forthright with you on what ions for your future. And what we'd like you with us this evenin these other girls. DOBBS: I’m not really on a.. along right now ..- FRICK: So you'd preter DOBBS: If they found e other stuff. . . happy with me a going to piss ‘€ is going on, our opt to do obviously 1s make a couple of calls ou know, g to talk to a couple of your, y Me and my parents really don’t get that— out that 1 was—If they foun Tmactually stripping NOW. --- t the moment, and | dont m off even d out that | was into som. So they re not exactly want to do anything that’s furthermore. f i Michael Reiter: Oc hief Reiter sifts underage girls- cured for Epste _ on El Brillo. An arre > caught with a dime be ‘ She'd told Detectiv | very much like a rape q Soon Reiter will as ' more footwork to do “his office. | ; Later that day, De ‘altive at the home of < a i ay ie S, Francine’s, anc dialogue have been cha: HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009215

James PATTERSON is_—it’s a significant thing, okay? Now, you came The question we have for you ting with us and try you, that in, you cooperated. with us. now is, do you want to continue coopera and help us make a case against Jeff? DOBBS: I don’t think that’s really going to run, though. I’ve already admitted to a second- right? FRICK: Yeah, you have. DOBBS: Okay, so there you 0. trouble? It’s not going to keep me out O help me in the long , degree felony, What’s going to keep me out of f trouble. I’ve already admitted committing a crime. FRICK: I’m not going to argue with that.... DOBBS: So basically I just fucked myself. I can go two ways. I can agree not to cooperate, which is going to put me at— well_——now you can use the second-degree felony against me. Or you can help and work with it and maybe get myself some Slack, «x: FRICK: We're still talkin’ here. What would the odds be of you contacting Jeff at this point? Have you had any contact with him at all? DOBBS: | have not had any contact— FRICK: How about with— DOBBS: No, none of ’em. None of ’em.. four or five months ago, and 1 told my parents. Loo to you I’m not anywhere —like, no co all. That’s why | pretty mu ny communication with him. It stopped. not made a FRICK: Okay. Well, I mean, that’s good. Tha stopped. ... [had a phone call about ] k, [swear | nnection with him at 7 ch got my number changed. I have © t’s good that you This is what we'd some of your ex: Now, the questior working for

JAMES PATTERSON RECAREY: Okay. You made that clear, you wouldnt do mote. ; RECAREY: Take a de DOBBS: No. Screw that! : see you're workir RECAREY: But as far as [Mary] is concerned. What did she tell can see it, andId you that happened in that room? DOBBS: I, um, pretty DOBBS: Exact words? If I can recall, when che came downstairs RECAREY: Straight vu : from—when she came downstairs, me and her and [redacted], f DOBBS: “If you're loo we all walked out. We got ito the car. And Iwas like, “How down in Palm Be much did you make?” She's like, “Three hundred dollars.” And I P have to give him looked at [Mary] and I just knew right then she did more. a Then, if they were | I'd go into detail RECAREY: Than just a massage, right? DOBBS: Yeah. And 1! asked her. I was like, “Well, what'd you do?” She’s like, “Well, I started giving 2 massage, and then my q a Yd tell them, “Ok: clothes came off and, you know, he put his fingers inside me. 4 | you have to do, th And then he brought out the massager.” And that's basically f a RECAREY: Did you te ; from bringing the DOBBS: Most part? I It’s all right. ; “ were open about 1 w that |—l ee was making mone I they told me, “Ye: what she said. 4 RECAREY: It’s all right. You can talk to me. aes, DOBBS: It’s kind of incredible talking about it, no | can't believe I worked for him. b. RECAREY: Okay. Git RECAREY: But it’s okay. You know what, we all go through — b: Gimme two secon things in life, you know what I mean? It’s an experie

JAMES PATTERSON RECAREY: How long have you been working for him? DOBBS: Um...1 probably worked for him for a year. RECAREY: Okay. And out of all these girls... DOBBS: Those were all the girls I brought. But you have to remember, those girls brought other girls, too. RECAREY: Oh, okay. DOBBS: So it’s like —its like a train. It’s lik all my friends, and then...it goes on and on, like that. e, intro duced him to RECAREY: Okay... [Redacted] being fourteen or fifteen at the time—I think [redacted] was fourteen when this happened — who else was underage? Out of all these? DOBBS: Underage, what do you mean? RECAREY: Under eighteen. DOBBS: Under eighteen! All of em. RECAREY: All of them? DOBBS: All of them.... RECAREY: Okay. Did Je didn’t care. DOBBS: I don't think he cared. He told RECAREY: The younger the better. All right. DOBBS: Pretty much. That’s how it work just put it this way: I tried to brin twenty-three, and he didn't really like it. RECAREY: Didn't go for it. DOBBS: It’s not that he didn’t go for it. And he likes the girls th eighteen and twenty... But some 0 their age. I know that when I started off knew better [than] to believ me the younger the better. 60 ff know anybody's real true age? Or he ed. He didn’t—let me g him a woman who was ~ He just didn’t care for it. 7 at [are] between the ages of, like, € them, I think, lie about young, I think he e me. I think he knew that I was younger — like, sev teen. Most of those RECAREY: Let’s talk ak DOBBS: