JAMES PATTERSON adult, okay? You're nineteen. You do what you do. You know, we can drop you off at the end of the block if you'd like. Or we can cushion the blow beyond what—but again, youre helping us at this point. We've been pretty forthright with you on what ions for your future. And what we'd like you with us this evenin these other girls. DOBBS: I’m not really on a.. along right now ..- FRICK: So you'd preter DOBBS: If they found e other stuff. . . happy with me a going to piss ‘€ is going on, our opt to do obviously 1s make a couple of calls ou know, g to talk to a couple of your, y Me and my parents really don’t get that— out that 1 was—If they foun Tmactually stripping NOW. --- t the moment, and | dont m off even d out that | was into som. So they re not exactly want to do anything that’s furthermore. f i Michael Reiter: Oc hief Reiter sifts underage girls- cured for Epste _ on El Brillo. An arre > caught with a dime be ‘ She'd told Detectiv | very much like a rape q Soon Reiter will as ' more footwork to do “his office. | ; Later that day, De ‘altive at the home of < a i ay ie S, Francine’s, anc dialogue have been cha: HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009215

FirtHy Ricu rERSON | kay? Now, you came This is what we'd like to do: We would like to reach out to shes dati some of your ex-friends and [unintelligible] talk to them. Now, the question is, do we think that they are currently still working for Jeff, in which case they would make a phone call The question we have for you ue cooperating with us and try f? ist Je to help me in the long to Jeff? Or can we just kinda show up and, you know, have y “_ ccond-degree felony you make a call as we're standing outside and say: “Hey, you litted to as _ . j know, these guys wanna talk to you, and I’ve already told em everything?” Our goal is to make a better case against Jeff, all right? ~ RECAREY: With your cooperation. FRICK: Let me, let me get back to—past—the cooperation thing, okay? There are lesser charges that can easily be filed: What’s going to keep me out of p me out of trouble. I’ve already > “* ith that... two ways. I | leading to the delinquency of a minor, as compared to a ed myel / can B® ot eae tet i second-degree felony. You know what I mean? That’s a mis- wn . wee te va against me: - demeanor... . First of all, I'll tell you straight up, okay, we're second- iz ; = ath it and maybe get myself some q | nc ly you to jail today... Id the odds be of you q : FRICK: Well, you're—And here’s the other thing: If you cooper- What would * ntact with oa “iy ate and if we can—lIf you cooperate, whether we pull it off or ? Have me oan lean 4 not—that’s not up to you, that’s up

James PATTERSON is_—it’s a significant thing, okay? Now, you came The question we have for you ting with us and try you, that in, you cooperated. with us. now is, do you want to continue coopera and help us make a case against Jeff? DOBBS: I don’t think that’s really going to run, though. I’ve already admitted to a second- right? FRICK: Yeah, you have. DOBBS: Okay, so there you 0. trouble? It’s not going to keep me out O help me in the long , degree felony, What’s going to keep me out of f trouble. I’ve already admitted committing a crime. FRICK: I’m not going to argue with that.... DOBBS: So basically I just fucked myself. I can go two ways. I can agree not to cooperate, which is going to put me at— well_——now you can use the second-degree felony against me. Or you can help and work with it and maybe get myself some Slack, «x: FRICK: We're still talkin’ here. What would the odds be of you contacting Jeff at this point? Have you had any contact with him at all? DOBBS: | have not had any contact— FRICK: How about with— DOBBS: No, none of ’em. None of ’em.. four or five months ago, and 1 told my parents. Loo to you I’m not anywhere —like, no co all. That’s why | pretty mu ny communication with him. It stopped. not made a FRICK: Okay. Well, I mean, that’s good. Tha stopped. ... [had a phone call about ] k, [swear | nnection with him at 7 ch got my number changed. I have © t’s good that you This is what we'd some of your ex: Now, the questior working for

Fittuy RicH rERSON lear, you wouldn't do mote. RECAREY: Take a deep breath. Take a deep breath. ’Cause I can see youre working up again. You're working up the tears, I s concerned. What did she tell can see it, and I don’t want to get you like that. ait DOBBS: I, um, pretty much I just would ask them — all when she came downstairs RECAREY: Straight up? mites me and her and [redacted], . DOBBS: “If you're looking for extra money, let me know; this guy . hes car. And I-was like, “How down in Palm Beach, he’s really, really, really wealthy. You > “Three hundred dollars.” And I 4 have to give him a massage.” That’s all I would tell them. ww right then she did more. Then, if they were interested or told me, “Yes, 1 want to do it.” right? : I'd go into detail with them before they'd actually agree. If was like, “Well, what'd you do?” : they told me, “Yeah, that sounds good, I’m interested,” then iving a massage, and then my I'd tell them, “Okay, well I’m gonna let you know, this is what ow he put his fingers inside me. ; you have to do, this is what’s gonna go on.” massage r” And that’s basically f ' RECAREY: Did you tell them that you were going to make money from bringing them over? Or— DOBBS: Most part? I believe they knew....Most of the girls, we Ik to me. It’s all right _ were open about that. We didn’t— they pretty much knew I ita : ; re Iking about it, now that I—I was making money under the table. So... talkin ; 4 ce . RECAREY: Okay. Gimme two seconds. Let

JAMES PATTERSON RECAREY: Okay. You made that clear, you wouldnt do mote. ; RECAREY: Take a de DOBBS: No. Screw that! : see you're workir RECAREY: But as far as [Mary] is concerned. What did she tell can see it, andId you that happened in that room? DOBBS: I, um, pretty DOBBS: Exact words? If I can recall, when che came downstairs RECAREY: Straight vu : from—when she came downstairs, me and her and [redacted], f DOBBS: “If you're loo we all walked out. We got ito the car. And Iwas like, “How down in Palm Be much did you make?” She's like, “Three hundred dollars.” And I P have to give him looked at [Mary] and I just knew right then she did more. a Then, if they were | I'd go into detail RECAREY: Than just a massage, right? DOBBS: Yeah. And 1! asked her. I was like, “Well, what'd you do?” She’s like, “Well, I started giving 2 massage, and then my q a Yd tell them, “Ok: clothes came off and, you know, he put his fingers inside me. 4 | you have to do, th And then he brought out the massager.” And that's basically f a RECAREY: Did you te ; from bringing the DOBBS: Most part? I It’s all right. ; “ were open about 1 w that |—l ee was making mone I they told me, “Ye: what she said. 4 RECAREY: It’s all right. You can talk to me. aes, DOBBS: It’s kind of incredible talking about it, no | can't believe I worked for him. b. RECAREY: Okay. Git RECAREY: But it’s okay. You know what, we all go through — b: Gimme two secon things in life, you know what I mean? It’s an experie

rERSON en working for him? for him for a year. rese girls... s I brought. But you have to t other girls, too. tin. It’s like, I introduced him to goes on and on, like that. being fourteen or fifteen at the fourteen when this happened — of all these? mean? elm. w anybody’s real true age? Or he fe told me the younger the better. tter. All right. ow it worked. He didn’t —let me to bring him a woman who was really like it. go for it. He just didn’t care for it. it [are] between the ages of, like, it some of them, | think, lie about : en | started off young, ! think he ; ve me. | think he knew that I was © 60 ; ' nd ~ . AG ' . yer S Wu a. has ae FirtHy RicuH younger — like, seventeen— but I told him I was, like, eigh- teen. Most of those girls lie when they go in there. RECAREY: Let’s talk about [Mary] for a minute. DOBBS: Okay. RECAREY: [Mary] at the time was dating your cousin, right? DOBBS: Mm-hmm. RECAREY: Okay. She told you she needed to make money. Did she know you worked for Jeffrey? DOBBS: I told her. RECAREY: You had told her you worked for Jeffrey. DOBBS: Mm-hmm. RECAREY: Did you tell her what it entailed? So she knew that? DOBBS: She knew everything before she even agreed to it. RECAREY: Okay. So she knew that there was going to have to be some kind of — DOBBS: Contact. Pretty much. Yeah. I told her. I told her exactly what his expectations were. I told her what goes on with the girls that go up there. I told her—it was like, “It’s your

JAMES PATTERSON RECAREY: How long have you been working for him? DOBBS: Um...1 probably worked for him for a year. RECAREY: Okay. And out of all these girls... DOBBS: Those were all the girls I brought. But you have to remember, those girls brought other girls, too. RECAREY: Oh, okay. DOBBS: So it’s like —its like a train. It’s lik all my friends, and then...it goes on and on, like that. e, intro duced him to RECAREY: Okay... [Redacted] being fourteen or fifteen at the time—I think [redacted] was fourteen when this happened — who else was underage? Out of all these? DOBBS: Underage, what do you mean? RECAREY: Under eighteen. DOBBS: Under eighteen! All of em. RECAREY: All of them? DOBBS: All of them.... RECAREY: Okay. Did Je didn’t care. DOBBS: I don't think he cared. He told RECAREY: The younger the better. All right. DOBBS: Pretty much. That’s how it work just put it this way: I tried to brin twenty-three, and he didn't really like it. RECAREY: Didn't go for it. DOBBS: It’s not that he didn’t go for it. And he likes the girls th eighteen and twenty... But some 0 their age. I know that when I started off knew better [than] to believ me the younger the better. 60 ff know anybody's real true age? Or he ed. He didn’t—let me g him a woman who was ~ He just didn’t care for it. 7 at [are] between the ages of, like, € them, I think, lie about young, I think he e me. I think he knew that I was younger — like, sev teen. Most of those RECAREY: Let’s talk ak DOBBS:

TERSON jat’s it. In order to make money, there. Youre gonna take your do, is the more you make.” She 00. So she obviously and evi- re. Plus, on our way home, she massage. ... , and she basically let him, like, ally. h his hands? d then he brought out the mas- c. vyhen you were approached to see jteen? e last time you talked to him! n honestly say it’s probably been it a year. I actually stopped work- {rl you brought overt over was [redacted].... ‘two hundred bucks for taking her knew... nassage him, and the more she did— 4 58 FittHy RicuH DOBBS: The more she'd make. RECAREY: The more she got paid. DOBBS: Yeah. RECAREY: So, she had intercourse with him. DOBBS: Um, I don’t know about the intercourse. I heard differ- ent stories on that. I’ve never asked him “Oh, you know...” But when I was first introduced to him, my friend [redacted] who introduced me to him, told me that she knew a girl who slept with him and made $1,000. But from what his intern — or secretary—told me, is that he doesn’t do that. He just plays around with them. So I heard two different stories. RECAREY: So, when you went and you massaged him, nothing happened between you two. DOBBS: Nothing. I wouldn’t let him. RECAREY: Okay. Did he become forceful? Did he get upset? DOBBS: I wouldn't say he became upset. I think he wasa little disap- pointed. But I'm not—I didn’t care. I knew I was getting paid. I let him—I let him look, but I never let him touch. It was out of the question for him. An

James PATTERSON ke. That’s it. In order to make money, you do, the more you ma take your na have to go up there. Youre gonna youre gon more you make.” She clothes off. But the more you do, is the walked out of there with $300. So she obviously and evi- dently let him do a little more. Plus, on our way home, she kinda told me what she did. RECAREY: Which was? Give the DOBBS: She gave the massage, an h her, down there. Basically. massage. ... d she basically let him, like, touc RECAREY: Did he touch her with hi DOBBS: All with his hands. And then From what she told me. s hands? he brought out the mas- sager. RECAREY: How old were you when you were approached to see Jeffrey? DOBBS: Um, I think 1 was seventeen? RECAREY: Seventeen. DOBBS: Sixteen or seventeen. RECAREY: Okay. When was the last time you talked to him? DOBBS: It’s been a while. I can honestly say it's probably been about close to a year. About a year. L actually stopped work- ing for him. | RECAREY: Who was the las DOBBS: The last girl I brought over was RECAREY: Okay. You got paid two hundred b girl you brought over? [redacted]... over? DOBBS: Yes. RECAREY: Okay. [Redacted] knew... DOBBS: She knew everything. RECAREY: That she'd have to massage him, and 58 ucks for taking het ; the more she did— } DOBBS: The more she’d RECAREY: The more sh DOBBS: Yeah. | RECAREY: So, she had i DOBBS: Um, | don’t knx ent stories on that. | But when I was first who introduced me | slept with him and r or secre

Firtuy RicwH rERSON DOBBS: Yeah. Touch you in inappropriate places. RECAREY: Okay. Does he use his hand? Does he— DOBBS: He uses his hands and, I really wouldn't call it a vibrator — vanted one, you can have one. t. That’s totally [up] to you, Pm ble for anything I say, right? a witness. I’m talking to you as to you. You wanna talk to me? ig you everything I know. I’m a irst meet, um— vas at a beach resort on Singer >d by this girl I went to school »d|. And she was asking me, you . money, | know this guy.-- Pe y gave her a call, and her and her e. Lactually picked them up She introduced me, th m ‘ > h e reys house. do] you mean by making money, ith Jeffrey? _There’s two ways you can make ‘alk to me. Talk to me like, like going to sound really sleazy, but— I guess it’s like a massager? But um—I was one of the girls that refused to do that. I did it basically my—I did it naked, but I wouldn't let him touch me or anything like that. So after that he’s like, “You know what?” He’s like, “Listen, [’ll pay you $200 for every girl that you bring to me.” He’s like, “I don’t want you to massage me anymore, you know, just bring girls to me....” So that’s the other way you can make money. For every girl that you bring to the table—so, for every girl that I brought to Jeffrey —I would make $200. Flat. Just right there. RECAREY: Just to bring a girl. DOBBS: Yeah. Just to bring a girl. RECAREY: Okay. And the girl that was going knew that she would have to massage him. DOBBS: S

JAMES PATTERSON RECAREY: It’s up to you. If you wanted one, you can have one. I can’t tell you yes or no on that. That’s totally [up] to you, Tm only — DOBBS: I'm not gonna get in tro RECAREY: Right now, youre just a witness. a witness.... That's totally up to you. You wann you everything | know. I’m a uble for anything | say, right? I'm talking to you as a talk to me? DOBBS: I have no problem telling very cooperative person. RECAREY: Okay. How did you first meet, um— DOBBS: I first met Jeffrey —I was at a beach resort on Singer Island, and I was approached by this girl I went to school with. Her name was [redacted]. And she was asking me, you know, “Oh, you need extra money, | know this guy....” I thought about it and I finally gave her a call, and her and her friend [redacted] met up with me. Lactually picked them up and we drove down to Jeffrey's house. She introduced me, whatever. RECAREY: Okay. Now, what how do you make money with Jeffrey? DOBBS: Um, there's two ways. There’s two ways you can make money. He'll, all right— RECAREY: That’s all right. nothin. DOBBS: How d RECAREY: No. Go ahead. Talk to me. DOBBS: Every girl that meets Jeffr massage. The more you do with him, t Basically, if you take off your clothes, you're gonn If you let him do things to you, youre gonna make more. RECAREY: Like “do things” you mean, touch you? [do] you mean by making money, 56 Talk to me. Talk to me like, like : o Isay —this is going to sound really sleazy, but— § ey starts

ERSON stated to [Dobbs] that he ble, but he would pay her if old her the younger the bet- ied to bring 4 23-year-old it the female was too old. mly remembers six girls that ch time she was paid $200. ensaprien $4 ought these girls to Epstein's 16 [years] of age. ta EEE IE ELD IE A . What she says about Mary's Mary’s already told the police. | | 0. But Wen- ; Wendy Dobbs, interview with Detective Recarey and Sergeant Frick, October 3, 2005, transcribed from video (excerpts) ipstein syncs UP; to \fter all, she’s been playing on oom. What he wants to know is, implicated herself in Epstein’s RECAREY: Okay. Your Pepsi’s coming, my Pepsi’s coming. First dy’s forehead, and now the police of all, I know you're freaking out. Don’t freak out, just relax. gives them phone numbers to go ied. She provides addresses. But , lice car, Ee you know, it’s only closed for our privacy. ' DOBBS: That’s fine. 3 G ¥ _ RECAREY: I understand that you may have information on a Okay? I want to thank you for coming. All right? Though the door’s closed, youre free to go at any time. You're not here — On the way home, in a po e tells the escorting officers. case that we're looking into, okay? That’s the reason why I q brought you here today. All right? And again, yourre here vol- 4 untarily. You agreed to come back with us and talk to us. But _ __I do want to talk you about Jeff Epstein, and the whole... _ DOBBS: And I don’t need a lawyer, right? HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009204

JAMES PATTERSON After the massage Epstein stated to [Dobbs] that he understood she was not comfortable, but he would pay her if she brought over some girls. He told her the younger the bet- ter. [Dobbs] stated she once tried to bring a 23-year-old female and Epstein stated that the female was too old. [Dobbs] stated that in total she only remembers six girls that to see Epstein. Each time she was paid $200. she brought these girls to Epstein's [Dobbs] said at the time she brought house they were all 14 through 16 [years] of age. she says about Mary’s lready told the police. up, too, But Wen- Wendy Dobbs keeps talking. What visit lines up neatly with what Mary’s a Wendy’s own experience with Epstein syncs dy’s not a victim, as Mary is. After all, she’s been playing on Epstein’s team. Team predator. A police sergeant enters the room. What he wants to know is, does Wendy realize that she’s implicated herself in Epstein's crimes? Beads of sweat form on Wendy’s forehead, and now the police know they’ve really got her. She gives them phone numbers to g0 with the young girls she’s named. She provides addresses. But no, Wendy doesn't quite get it. she brags in the backseat: “~m like a Heidi Fleiss,” she tells the escorting officers. On the way home, in a police car, 5 : : Wendy Dobbs, inter Sergeant Frick, Octc video (excerpts) RECAREY: Okay. Your | of all, | know you're Okay? I want to thar door’s closed, you're 4 you know, it’s only c. q DOBBS: That’s fine. e RECAR

CHAPTER 13 005 | he gets lots of chances— Chief ng into his investigators’ heads: tient. Methodical. Strategic. Or for lunch. sir case toward the goalpost. But and his coworkers catch a break ls down the field. month, they pick Wendy up at her ition, she starts to sing —like a bird. believe it or get it all down fast _cause affidavit, Detective Recarey ‘0, just after she turned 17 years ched by a friend named Molly at 52 Fitryy RicwH the Canopy Beach Resort in Riviera Beach. [Dobbs] was asked if she wanted to make money. She was told she would have to provide a massage and should make $200. [Dobbs] thought about the offer and agreed to meet with Jeffrey. Molly (Unknown last name) and Tony (Unknown last name) picked [Dobbs] up and she was taken to Epstein’s house. Upon her arrival to the house she was introduced to Epstein in the kitchen of the house. She was also intro- duced to a white female known to her as Sarah. She was led upstairs to the main bedroom known to her as Jeff Epstein’s bedroom. Sarah arranged the massage table and covered the table with a sheet. She brought out the massage oils and laid them next to the massage bed. Sarah then left the room and informed [Dobbs] Jeff would be in, in a minute. Jeff entered the bedroom wearing only a towel. He removed the towel and laid nude on the massage table. He laid on the table onto his stomach and picked a massage oil for [Dobbs] to rub on him. “He tried to touch me, and I stopped him,” says Dobbs. I aske

ET re me CHAPTER I3 Wendy Dobbs: October 3, 2005 very chance he gets—and he gets lots of chances — Chiet ing into his Reiter drills the same thing in ' o be careful. Patient. Methodical. Strateg investigators’ heads: ic. Or they need t . | for lunch. tein’s lawyers will eat them , Inch by inch, they move their case toward the goalpost. i. in October, Detective Recarey and his coworkers catch a brea several yards down the field. nth, they pick Wendy up at her Eps that moves the ball On the first Monday of that mo house and, down at the police station, she starts to The detectives can hardly enough. Later on, ina probable-cau will write: Approximately two years 489, just after she turned 1/ — of age [Wendy] was approached by a friend named Molly 52 sing —like a bird. : believe it or get it all down fast = se affidavit, Detective Recarey the Canopy Beach asked if she wanted | have to provide a m thought about the off . Molly (Unknowr ; name) picked [Dobk house. Upon her arr Epstein in the kitch | duced to a white fem | upstairs to the main bedroom. at Sarah arranged t. : with a sheet. She brot a next to the massage a informed [Dobbs] Jef, =. the bedroom wearing He removed the 4 table. He laid on the a7 massage oil for [Dobb “He tried to touch m : asked how he tried tc ES grabbed her buttocks . ' ‘Til massage you,” D: to be touched.” ) [Dobbs] stated she per _ lusion of the massage HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009201

3RSON ollars’ worth of shit. Man, the ow he gave me. Like, rd—ld bag of Victoria's Secret under- talking, like, fifteen hundred plane ticket from him once. | uses, 1 got movie tickets. Like, like, he’d say, “Hey, have you 'd be like, “I dunno, oh—not su want to go?” He'd give me, got show tickets; 1 went and | had, like, VIP tickets or some- -Tm talking about, like, the posi- like, okay, here’s the thing: there's len heres the massage table. | was and] she was here. Um. And I was hed me over the table, and he did able? Were you? he table. Like, facedown, hands, _] dont, I dont mean—I wasnt sow if he was holding me down to s or what he was doing. He’s just a ty weird stuff. Like, | was just bent the table. 1 was facedown on the 1ing. So. But anyway, [redacted] was sure she was naked, and the couch = aS m, that’s how it happened. ... fle wae = 50 - —_——— te ae hh a) o a, - ‘ ve as Cs oe ps — ns tes Fittuy Ricu only in me for, like, a minute or two. I don’t even know if you could say that long. He put it in, did a couple of pumps, or whatever the fuck you wanna call it, and I was like, “What are you doing?” [giggles] I go, “What are you doing?” He’s like, “Oh, I just wanted [redacted] to see this.” Then that was that. 5] HOUSE_OVERSIGHT_009200

JaMES PATTERSON only in me for, like Like, I’ve gotten thousands of dollars worth of shit. Man, the , could say that lon: underwear I’m wearing right now he gave me. Like, ’d—Yd whatever the fuck go over there and there'd be a bag of Victoria’s Secret under- | you doing?” [gig al wear, like, waiting for me, like, talking, like, fifteen hundred j “Oh, I just wanted dollars’ worth of stuff. I got 4 plane ticket from him once. I got a Car, I got Christmas bonuses, | got movie tickets. Like, hed buy me movie tickets —like, he'd say, “Hey, have you gone to the movies lately?” I'd be like, “I dunno, ch—not | really,’ [and] he goes, “Do you want to go?” He'd give me, q 3 like, eight movie tickets. 1 got show tickets; 1 went and J | saw, like, David Copperfield. | had, like, VIP tickets or some- , r | thing like that. a : I need to show you, like, what I'm talking about, like, the posi- tioning that we were—it was like, okay, here’s the thing: there's the, like, little flower thing, then here’s the massage table. | was right here, he was right here, [and] she was here. Um. And I was standing up, and he just pushed me ovet the table, and he did his thing with me. D: Okay. Were you facing the table? Were you? Vy: I was. | was facedown on the table. Like, facedown, hands, like, on my head, holding—! don't, | don't mean—I wasnt | | fighting, really. So I dont know if he was holding me down to | kinda stop me from fighting or what he was doing. He's just a really weird—he's into re

ERSON rood enough. So I filled it out m So I’m pretty sure he wasnt telling me that he was. But | h the reason I stayed there so ght in front of me, you know? [redacted], was there anybody suse? | -ause it got out that I did this. , You know, everyone talks— Not that 1 would want anybody girls I didn’t like and, frankly, s that 1 knew were skanks. That at would just, like, suck dick in > not even people | was friends sbout a girl and be like, “Hey, | ke two hundred dollars. How lat out, like, “This is what you've this? Cause 'm not gonna take ‘them. They all know that I got actually [redacted]. She took off rerweight, so he didn’t want any e was my best friend. But, you ry. | did care about her. But, um, ff and really needed money. She 1e had nowhere to go. So she did it 48 Fitrtyy Ricw V: Sometimes he got violent, yeah. D: Violent as in what? As in— V: He pulled my hair a lot harder than it should have been ao <a co pulled. Like, he—okay, I can understand having sex, and youre all, like, not—not that we were having sex, but I mean, like, if you're all into it and you pull hair a little bit, like, my ponytails—just like a little bit, whatever. But he would pull it to where it would rip my hair out. It would rip my hair, and then sometimes he would pick me up and, like, throw me whichever way he wanted me, and then he would just like use a toy or, like, his hand or whatever. Never his penis, though, ever. I never had sex with him. But um—I’m little, so he could pic

JAMES PATTERSON and he told me that it wasn't good enough. 50 I filled it out | V: Sometimes he got vic again, and it was like three times. So I’m pretty sure he wasnt : D: Violent as in what? A checking into it, he was Just telling me that he was. But | { V: He pulled my hair think that had a lot to do with the reason I stayed there so | pulled. Like, he—o n front of me, you know? ' you're all, like os long, ‘cause my dream was right 1 mean, like, if you're And it’s so far...- D: Aside from having been with [redacted], was there anybody | like, my ponytails— else that you brought to the house? would pull it to wher V: I brought a few people. ... Because it got out that I did this. my hair, and then so. Like, everyone at school knew. You re <r oe know, everyone talks — throw me whichever m ¢ so —" et ah D: It wasa circle, and— just like use a toy or hat I would want anybody penis, though, ever. ] V: It was a little circle, yeah....Nott to get involved....1 brought girls I didn't like and, frankly, did not give a shit about. Girls that I knew were skanks. That 2 throw, obviously it’s ust, like, suck dick in a would do anything. Girls that would j . 2 the bathroom at school. Like, not even people I was friends . I mean, there’s been able to walk, um, ft I'd just hear a rumor about a girl and be like, “Hey, 1 “3a with. know a way you can make two hundred dollars. How about...” 1 would tell them flat out, like, “This is what youve got to do. Are you cool with th

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